Difficult circular motion problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a circular motion problem involving tension, mass, and gravitational forces. Participants suggest using trigonometric identities to eliminate tension from the equations and derive a quadratic equation. The key equations derived include T = mv^2/(Lsin^2(theta)) and T = mg/cos(theta), leading to a relationship that can be simplified further. The advice emphasizes converting sine terms to cosine to facilitate solving the quadratic equation. Ultimately, the goal is to express the problem in a solvable format using the derived relationships.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



F=mv^2/c

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew the free body diagram and found

TSin(theta) = mv^2/r

r = LSin(theta)

TSin(theta) = mv^2/LSin(theta)

In the y direction Fy = mg - TCos(theta) = 0
So mg = TCos(theta)

I tried to turn T = mg/cos(theta) into T=mg/(1-Sin(theta)) and sub it in but it doesn't seem to work.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Eliminate T, then you can get the trig functions on one side as a function of all the given information.
 
Hello. You're on the right track. Rather than trying to get cosine in terms of sine, go the other way around. For example, you have:
T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}
and
T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}
Put sin^2 in terms of cosine, and equate both the formulas that you have for tension. You should be able to come up with a quadratic equation in terms of cosine.
 
sandy.bridge said:
Hello. You're on the right track. Rather than trying to get cosine in terms of sine, go the other way around. For example, you have:
T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}
and
T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}
Put sin^2 in terms of cosine, and equate both the formulas that you have for tension. You should be able to come up with a quadratic equation in terms of cosine.

How did you get T=\frac{mv^2}{Lsin^2\theta}

I solved for T in the y direction and got

T=\frac{mg}{cos\theta}

\frac{mg}{cos\theta}*{sin\theta}==\frac{mv^2}{Lsin\theta}

I'm stuck after this I can't seem to get the sin into a quadratic equation
 
So you have,

mv^2/Ls^2 = mg/c (where s = sin and c = cosine)

so,

cv^2 = Lgs^2 = Lg(1 - c^2)

now you can use the quadratic equation
 
Spinnor said:
So you have,

mv^2/Ls^2 = mg/c (where s = sin and c = cosine)

so,

cv^2 = Lgs^2 = Lg(1 - c^2)

now you can use the quadratic equation
oh ok! Thank you guys!
 
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