Diffrential equations, integration factor with two vars

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The discussion revolves around finding an integrating factor for a differential equation of the form M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0, specifically one that can be expressed as K(xy). Participants are exploring the conditions under which such an integrating factor exists and how it can be applied to the equation.

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  • Participants discuss the form of the integrating factor and its implications for the equation's exactness. There are questions about the clarity of the original equation and the notation used. Some participants attempt to derive conditions for the integrating factor based on partial derivatives.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and references to external resources. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the notation and the specific equation being addressed. Some productive lines of reasoning have been suggested, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are indications of language barriers affecting clarity, and some participants express uncertainty about the equation being analyzed. The discussion also highlights the need for precise definitions and assumptions in the context of integrating factors.

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1. I need to find a condition that the equation will have a integration factor from the shape K(x*y).
(K-integration factor sign)


2.the eq from the shape M(x,y)dx+N(x,y)dy=0 ,not have to be exact!3. i tried to open from the basics. d(k(x*y)M(x,y))/dy=d((k(x*y)N(x,y))/dx.
and i used the fact that d(k(x,y))/dy is x (exc. for dx)/

im hoping i was clear enough , thanks and sorry for my bad english.
 
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well, normally an integration factor will be of the form ##e^{\int P(x)}##
I'm confused by your notation, it seems as though you're setting up an exact function, or maybe that's what you're saying in 2: it's not an exact function?
 
barak said:
1. I need to find a condition that the equation will have a integration factor from the shape K(x*y).
(K-integration factor sign)
"the equation" -- What equation?
barak said:
2.the eq from the shape M(x,y)dx+N(x,y)dy=0 ,not have to be exact!3. i tried to open from the basics. d(k(x*y)M(x,y))/dy=d((k(x*y)N(x,y))/dx.
and i used the fact that d(k(x,y))/dy is x (exc. for dx)/

im hoping i was clear enough , thanks and sorry for my bad english.
It's not clear to me at all. What is the equation you're trying to solve?
 
@barak: Perhaps this link will help you:
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/math/differential-equations/first-order-equations/integrating-factors
 
The initial equation is M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy= 0 and you multiply by k(xy) where k is some function of a single variable: k(xy)M(x, y)dx+ k(xy)N(x,y)dy= 0.
In order that this be "exact" we must have (k(xy)M(x, y))_y= (k(xy)N(x, y))_x.

xk'(xy)M(x,y)+ k(xy)M_y(x, y)= yk'(x,y)N(x,y)+ k(xy)N_x(x,y)

(xM(x,y)- yN(x,y))k'(xy)= k(xy)(N_x(x,y)- M_y(x,y)
 
thanks a lot guys u all helped me
 

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