Direct detection of Planck mass WIMPs?

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The discussion revolves around the sensitivity of current dark matter detection experiments to Planck mass Weakly Interacting Massive Particles (WIMPs). Participants explore theoretical implications, detection challenges, and the nature of dark matter interactions, with a focus on the mass and interaction properties of potential dark matter candidates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether current dark matter detection experiments can detect Planck mass WIMPs, noting that existing parameter spaces for experiments like CDMS do not extend to such high masses.
  • Another participant argues that there is nothing inherently special about the Planck mass and suggests that as particle mass increases, the number density decreases, making detection increasingly unlikely.
  • It is proposed that weakly interacting particles would have been produced in lower quantities in the early universe, complicating detection efforts for heavy dark matter candidates.
  • A participant discusses the concept of thermal relics, suggesting that weaker interactions lead to greater abundance due to earlier decoupling from thermal equilibrium, although they express uncertainty about whether a particle as massive as the Planck mass could ever be in thermal equilibrium.
  • Concerns are raised about the contradictions inherent in detectable heavy dark matter, such as issues with clumping and universe closure, which may challenge the viability of such candidates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of detecting Planck mass WIMPs, with some emphasizing the challenges posed by mass and interaction strength, while others question the assumptions about thermal equilibrium and the implications for dark matter properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about particle interactions, the dependence on early universe conditions, and the unresolved nature of the thermal equilibrium status of very massive particles.

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Are the current dark matter detection experiments sensitive to Planck mass WIMPs?

I've just looked at the Wikipedia WIMP article. It shows the excluded parameter space for the CDMS experiment with WIMP-nucleon cross section vs WIMP mass curves but they only go up to a WIMP mass of 1000 GeV.
 
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First, there is nothing magical about the Planck mass.

Second, since the dark matter mass density is known (1/3 of a proton mass per cc), the heavier each individual particle is, the fewer of them are out there to detect. Long before you get to the Planck mass, you have too few particles to have a decent chance of spotting one.

Third, the weaker the interaction, the fewer particles were produced in the early universe. To get the sorts of low number densities implied by heavy particles means they interact very weakly indeed, which also makes them very hard to detect.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Third, the weaker the interaction, the fewer particles were produced in the early universe. To get the sorts of low number densities implied by heavy particles means they interact very weakly indeed, which also makes them very hard to detect.

A thermal relic becomes more abundant the weaker it interacts due to falling out of equilibrium earlier and therefore getting less Boltzmann suppressed. A very strongly interacting species would remain in thermal equilibrium longer and if the freeze-out temperature is much lower than its mass the Boltzmann suppression becomes very large.

That being said, it is unclear whether a particle of such a large mass as the Planck mass would ever be in thermal equilibrium to start with. It would more likely already be decoupled at the reheating temperature and therefore not really be produced in the early Universe. In such a situation, you will instead have a freeze-in mechanism, for which it is true that a weaker interaction gives a lower final density.
 
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I also doubt something that heavy is in equilibrium.

Maybe here's a better way to express my thinking: detectable heavy dark matter has built-in contradictions. For example, if it interacts strongly, it will clump - and we know it doesn't. And/or it overcloses the universe. And it doesn't do that either.
 

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