Directional derivative without reparametrization

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The discussion revolves around finding the directional derivative of functions defined in different coordinate systems, specifically in the context of functions g(s, t) and g(r, θ). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of directional derivatives when the function's variables differ from the components of the direction vector.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the coordinate systems used in the functions and the direction vectors. Questions arise about the validity of using Cartesian coordinates for a function defined in polar coordinates and whether the directional derivative can be computed consistently across these systems.

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There is an active exploration of the implications of using different coordinate systems for the functions and direction vectors. Some participants suggest treating the variables as interchangeable symbols, while others emphasize the need for consistency in the coordinate system used for calculations. No consensus has been reached regarding the best approach to take.

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Participants note the potential complications arising from the use of polar coordinates and Cartesian coordinates in the same problem, as well as the need to consider the definitions of the directional derivative in these contexts. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's concerns about the appropriateness of the methods suggested in the solutions manual.

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Hi, Everyone,

I have the following problem. Given function is g (s, t) = s ^ 2 * exp (t). Find directional derivative of the function at the point (2,0) in direction of vector v = i + j. The book says to find del g with respect to s and t and dot it with normalized v. But I disagree because g is a function of s and t (not x and y) whereas v is defined as i + j. Can somebody help?

Thank you
 
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"x and y" and "s and t" are just SYMBOLS. You can call the coordinates anything you like as long as you are consistent. Obviously this problem is asking you do the problem in "s,t space". That is, just treat "s" and "t" as another name for "x" and "y".
 
Ok. The next problem in the book is:

"Find directional derivative of the function at the given point in the direction of the vector v. The function is g(r, theta) = exp (-r) * sin (theta), the point is (0, Pi/3) and v = 3i - 2j."

In solutions manual, they solve it just like you suggested, i.e. dot del g with normalized v. However, I think the choice of variables in this case makes it apparent that r implies radius and theta is angle, so the function is formulated in polar coordinates. However, the direction vector is in Cartesian coordinates. Do you think that they answer is correct? If yes, please explain why.

Thank you.
 
WHAT answer is correct? [itex]\nabla g[/itex] is a vector. In Cartesian coordinates it is given by
[tex]\nabla g= \frac{\partial g}{\partial x}\vec{i}+ \frac{\partial g}{\partial y}\vec{j}[/tex]
In polar coordinates it has a very different formula in terms of the partial derivatives of r and [itex]\theta[/itex]! You can calculate them, but since they are somewhat more complicated, the best way to do this problem is to convert [itex]g(r, \theta) = e^{-r}sin(\theta)[/itex] into Cartesian coordinates.
 

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