Discrete Math Help: Is x Rational?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether x is rational given the equations involving integers a, b, c and nonzero real numbers x, y, z. The initial calculations led to expressions for x in terms of y and z, but concerns were raised about the validity of these manipulations, particularly regarding the cancellation of variables. It was suggested to explicitly solve for x in terms of a, b, and c while eliminating y and z from the equations. The conclusion drawn is that if z is rational, it could imply that x is also rational, but the focus should remain on deriving x directly. Ultimately, the goal is to express x solely in terms of a, b, and c to ascertain its rationality.
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Discrete Math Help!

Here is the problem:

Suppose a, b, and c are integers and x, y, and z are nonzero real numbers that satisfy the following equations:

\dfrac{xy}{x+y}=a and \dfrac{xz}{x+z}=b and \dfrac{yz}{y+z}=c.

Is x rational? If so, express it as a ratio of two integers.


I have calculated that x=\dfrac{-(bz-xz)}{b}. I am inclined to answer no, since x, y, or z could be irrational.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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first modify your equation to solve for x explicitly in terms of b and z ( x on one side , b and z terms on the other ).
then use the other two equations to come up with an expression for z and substitute that into your original equation.
Your goal is to try to solve for x in terms of a,b,c only... eliminating any z or y

Post your steps if you run into more trouble
Regards,
-MS
 
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Ok, I solved and got this:

x=\dfrac{ay}{y-a} and x=\dfrac{bz}{z-b} and y=\dfrac{cz}{z-c}.


I then solved for z and got z=\dfrac{aby}{(a-b)y+ab}. I just canceled the y's and was left with z=\dfrac{ab}{(a-b)+ab}.

I plugged this in for z in the second equation, and got z=\dfrac{b \dfrac{ab}{(a-b)+ab}}{\dfrac{ab}{(a-b)+ab}-b}. This simplifies to \dfrac{ab}{b-ab}.

If this answer is correct, I would say that yes, x is indeed rational. Am I correct?
 
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Where did the x come from in the third equation (top right) , and where did the y go? That completely changes the problem so the rest is all wrong.

Also, for
z=\dfrac{aby}{(a-b)y+ab} you can't cancel the y's, because y is not a factor of the denominator.
If the denominator was instead (a-b)y + aby then you could factor out the y which could become y((a-b) + ab) and the y's could cancel
(do you see the difference? )

Another thing: in your result,,, you solved for z (although incorrectly). The equation asks if X is rational... so how does knowing whether or not Z is rational help you?
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based on your equation relating x to z you could use the fact that z is rational to prove that x is rational providing you knew that theorem, but this seems like more trouble than its worth why not just solve for x. /edit

Your going to have to solve for x in terms of y or z, and then solve for either y or z using the other equations to come up with an equation in terms of x, a, b, and c only

-MS
 
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