Distance or Displacement-time graph equation explanation requested

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The discussion centers on the discrepancy between two calculated values of acceleration derived from distance vs. time and distance vs. time squared graphs. The first graph yields a quadratic equation indicating an acceleration coefficient of 10.242, while the second graph gives an acceleration coefficient of 18.448. This difference arises from the fitting methods used, as one assumes a linear term while the other does not, affecting the quadratic coefficient. The initial positions indicated by the two models also differ significantly, suggesting that one may be more physically meaningful than the other. Clarifying the experimental setup and data could provide further insights into which model accurately represents the observed motion.
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Plotted a distance vs time graph for acceleration on an inclined plane (constant acceleration) and got graph equation of y = 10.242x^2 + 25.996x - 10.315
So this means that d = 1/2at^2 + vt - y intercept
Meaning 1/2 acceleration is 10.242 and initial velocity is 25.996 right?
Then I plotted distance vs time squared and got y=18.448x+8.3244 so this means d=1/2at^2 + y intercept right? So the 1/2 acceleration here is 18.448.

Question is why are the two 1/2 accelerations of different values? How do I explain it?

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tsuria said:

Homework Statement


Plotted a distance vs time graph for acceleration on an inclined plane (constant acceleration) and got graph equation of y = 10.242x^2 + 25.996x - 10.315
So this means that d = 1/2at^2 + vt - y intercept
Meaning 1/2 acceleration is 10.242 and initial velocity is 25.996 right?
Then I plotted distance vs time squared and got y=18.448x+8.3244 so this means d=1/2at^2 + y intercept right? So the 1/2 acceleration here is 18.448.

Question is why are the two 1/2 accelerations of different values? How do I explain it?

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Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Could you show the full problem statement and any figures that go along with it? That would help a lot in trying to answer your questions. Thanks.
 
tsuria said:
Then I plotted distance vs time squared
So call this new "x" coordinate z=t2, while your original x coordinate was t.
What happens if you rewrite your quadratic equation for y in terms of z instead of t?
 
I concur with the suggestion by @berkeman for future reference, however the particular question you ask can be answered immediately. Presumably you used a fitting program to extract coefficients for a second degree polynomial using two different methods, one assuming a linear term and one assuming no linear term. The fitting algorithm did its best in each case to find the best fit to your data. The algorithm is dumb and just did what you asked it to do, find the best fit to the data given a model. If you force the linear term be zero, then you should not expect it to find the same quadratic coefficient (acceleration) and maintain goodness of fit. Something has to give. It's up to you to interpret the results you got in terms of measurable quantities and a reasonable physical model. So ask yourself, in terms of what you observed in the lab which set of values is more physically meaningful? One glaring difference is not the acceleration, but the position at t = 0 (or x = 0). One model says it's -10.315 (centimeters I presume) and the other +8.32 cm. The difference is huge. You know what you did, which initial position (if any) is correct?

If you wish additional help on this, please post your data and the problem statement as @berkeman suggested.
 
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