Do different reference frames agree with total energy?

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The discussion revolves around whether different reference frames agree on the total energy of a particle, exploring concepts in both relativistic and non-relativistic physics. Participants examine the implications of energy conservation and the effects of Lorentz transformations on energy measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if different frames agree on the total energy of a particle, suggesting that energy measured in one frame (including rest and kinetic energy) may differ from that measured in another frame where the particle is at rest.
  • Another participant confirms that energy is not invariant across different frames, citing the Lorentz transformation that shows how energy changes when moving to a frame with relative velocity.
  • A third participant reiterates that while total energy is conserved in all inertial frames, it is not invariant between them, emphasizing this point applies to both relativistic and non-relativistic contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that different reference frames do not yield the same total energy for a particle, but the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of energy conservation and invariance.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how energy transforms under different conditions or the implications of these transformations on physical interpretations.

BomboshMan
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I know total energy is conserved, but does this mean that different frames agree on the total energy of a particle?

I'm assuming they don't agree on energy, because if I measured the total energy of a particle moving relative to me (which would equal the rest energy plus its kinetic energy) surely this can't be the same as the total energy of the particle measured by someone in a frame where the particle's at rest (where the total energy would just be its rest energy). Or am I going wrong somewhere?

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Indeed not: if you measure the energy of a massive particle at rest relative to you and then boost to the frame of an observer who has a non - vanishing relative velocity in say the +x direction then under a lorentz transformation the energy is mapped as m_{0}c^{2} \rightarrow \gamma m_{0}c^{2}.
 
BomboshMan said:
I know total energy is conserved, but does this mean that different frames agree on the total energy of a particle?

No. This is true both in relativistic and non-relativistic physics, by the way. Energy is conserved in any inertial reference frame, but is it not invariant between inertial reference frames.
 
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