Do Fourier Coefficients Decay with Increasing n?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of Fourier coefficients for a C1 function defined on the interval [-π, π]. The original poster seeks to prove that the coefficients satisfy specific decay conditions as n increases, specifically |an| <= K/n and |bn| <= L/n for n=1,2,...

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the Fourier coefficients and their relationship to the function's derivatives. The original poster attempts to manipulate the integral definitions of the coefficients but encounters confusion regarding the necessity of the 1/n factor. Others suggest considering Parseval's theorem and the boundedness of the function and its derivative.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and attempting to connect various mathematical concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Parseval's theorem and the behavior of the series, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the decay condition.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the necessity of the 1/n factor in the decay of the Fourier coefficients, with participants questioning how this relates to the properties of the function and its derivatives. A counterexample has been mentioned to challenge a proposed solution.

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Homework Statement



Let f be a C1 function on [-pi,pi]. Prove the Fourier coefficients of f satisfy

|an| <= K/n and |bn| <= L/n n=1,2,...

Homework Equations



an = 1/pi * int[-pi..pi] (f(x)*cos(nx)) dx

bn = 1/pi * int[-pi..pi] (f(x)*sin(nx)) dx

Sorry if my form is slightly unpleasing to the eye, but I'm sure if you're reading my post you probably know what I'm talking about.

The Attempt at a Solution



|an| = | 1/pi * int[-pi..pi] (f(x)*cos(nx)) dx |

<= 1/pi * int[-pi..pi] | (f(x)*cos(nx)) | dx

and that's as far as I could get. I thought maybe I could show that

int[-pi..pi]( | cosnx | )dx <= (1/n)*int[-pi..pi]( |cosx| ) dx

but that turned out to be false.

Any ideas?
 
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not there, but some ideas that are hopefully helpful
so I = \left[ -\pi, \pi \right] is a closed interval

as the function is C^1 both f & f' are continuous on I and so attain a maximum on I

f = a_0 + \sum_{n=1} (a_n cos(nx) + b_n sin(nx))

f&#039; = \sum_{n=1} (-n.a_n sin(nx) + n .b_n cos(nx))

as f and f' are bounded, then applying Parseval's theorem, for some positive number M
\int f&#039;^2 = M
= \pi \left( \sum_{n=1} (n.a_n)^2 + (n .b_n)^2 \right)
 
Ok I followed everything you said but I still don't see how this relates to what I'm trying to show. The fact that there is a /n necessary is really confusing me.

i.e. |an| <= K/n and not just KEdit:

Ok I may have gotten it.

I think the solution is |an| <= |a1|/n and |bn| <= |b1|/n

There's too much to write out how I got this but does this seem correct?
 
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s_j_sawyer said:
Ok I followed everything you said but I still don't see how this relates to what I'm trying to show. The fact that there is a /n necessary is really confusing me.

i.e. |an| <= K/n and not just K
The 1/n factor is the reason lanedance looked at the series for f' rather than f. Look at the series from Parseval's identity. What can you say about the sign of each term?
Edit:

Ok I may have gotten it.

I think the solution is |an| <= |a1|/n and |bn| <= |b1|/n

There's too much to write out how I got this but does this seem correct?
No, this isn't correct. f(x)=sin(2x) is a simple counterexample since it has a1=0 and a2=1.
 

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