Does Adjusting Potentiometer Resistance Affect Volume in Amplification Circuits?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of adjusting potentiometer resistance in amplification circuits, specifically regarding volume control. Participants explore the implications of potentiometer configuration, feedback mechanisms, and power supply considerations in audio amplification applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether increasing the potentiometer resistance between the "cold" and "wiper" terminals would increase volume, suggesting the need for a volume equation that incorporates specific circuit components.
  • One participant mentions that varying the potentiometer changes the DC gain but emphasizes the importance of maintaining a fixed DC output level for proper AC swings.
  • Concerns are raised about the circuit design, particularly regarding the use of potentiometers without sufficient wiper current, which could lead to long-term issues.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of a separate feedback network for DC and the potential benefits of capacitor isolation for AC variations.
  • There is a suggestion that increasing the voltage powering the op-amp could allow for greater output, with caution about staying within the manufacturer's ratings.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the circuit's effectiveness, recommending alternative designs and providing links to resources for better amplifier configurations.
  • Questions arise about the specific op-amp part number and its capability to drive speakers effectively, with references to common amplifiers like the LM386.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views and concerns about the circuit design and potentiometer usage remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific part numbers and pin configurations, which complicates the assessment of whether the circuit involves an op-amp or a dedicated audio amplifier. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the gain and feedback mechanisms.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in audio amplification, circuit design, and electronics may find the discussion relevant, particularly those looking to understand the implications of potentiometer adjustments in amplification circuits.

Likith D
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The above is a circuit i found on the net regarding amplification of volume.
I needed to know if increasing the potentiometer resistance (between "cold" and "wiper"; terminal 1 and 2?) in the circuit would increase "volume"
Also, i could use a potentiometer resistance ( between "cold" and "wiper" ) to volume equation of the above circuit, given that the equation should consist of C1 (= C2) and R1 (= R2)...
Also would having multiple 9V batteries in series make the sound louder?
I'm just troubles with this circuit lately partly because i don't know much about electronics ( maybe I am even wrong in using some of the words the way i used above ) but... i hope to figure the questions out!
 
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The above is a circuit i found on the net regarding amplification of volume.
I needed to know if increasing the potentiometer resistance (between "cold" and "wiper"; terminal 1 and 2?) in the circuit would increase "volume"
Also, i could use a potentiometer resistance ( between "cold" and "wiper" ) to volume equation of the above circuit, given that the equation should consist of C1 (= C2) and R1 (= R2)...
Also would having multiple 9V batteries in series make the sound louder?
I'm just troubles with this circuit lately partly because i don't know much about electronics ( maybe I am even wrong in using some of the words the way i used above ) but... i hope to figure the questions out!
To see which direction increases the gain, just use the equation for the gain of a non-inverting opamp, and think about how the voltage divider changes at the inverting input as the wiper moves. :smile:

BTW, that circuit has a fundamental problem, and you should not use it, IMO. Potentiometers need to have a minimum wiper current to keep the wiper contact from developing problems over time. Having the wiper go straight into only the input of an opamp is a fundamental circuit design error.
 
Likith D, I think your arrangement is not going to work as you hope. Varying the pot changes the DC gain here, but you really need the output DC level to stay fixed at ½Vcc to accommodate the output AC swings.

I think you need a separate feedback network for DC, and use capacitor isolation so the pot is giving variations to feedback only at AC.

Increasing the voltage powering the op-amp will allow greater output, but you must stay within the manufacturer's voltage (and power) ratings for this particular IC, otherwise it may be destroyed.
 
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It is not a good idea to have that pot configured in the manner it is. With the wiper all the way in one direction there will be a gain of 1, which is fine. However, in the other direction the gain goes to open loop, or infinity if you prefer to think in that manner. This of course is separate from the issues previously posted in this thread.
 
What is the op amp part number?
Few op amps have the ability to drive a speaker very loudly.
 
Likith D said:
The above is a circuit i found on the net regarding amplification of volume.
It's terrible !

Take a look at this one. It's explained well.

http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidu765/tidu765.pdf

Omit the electret microphone part and apply input through R1 .

Here's a handy collection of opamp circuits. Figuring them out one by one will teach you a LOT .
https://www.ti.com/ww/en/bobpease/assets/AN-31.pdf
Note as a rule they don't show the power supply pins.
old jim


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Likith D shows an amplifier that drives a speaker.
That suggests the common or garden LM386.
 
Baluncore said:
Likith D shows an amplifier that drives a speaker.
That suggests the common or garden LM386.
What a GREAT little amplifier !
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm386.pdf
Its inputs are ground referenced so there's no need for that "Virtual Ground" R1-R2.

For a typical 8 0r 16 ohm speaker Likith's C2 needs to be a LOT bigger.
 
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Likith D said:
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The above is a circuit i found on the net regarding amplification of volume.
I needed to know if increasing the potentiometer resistance (between "cold" and "wiper"; terminal 1 and 2?) in the circuit would increase "volume"
@Likith D
as a number have stated, this is not the way to go

initially ...

1) you have given no part number or pin numbering --- so we don't even know if you are dealing with an op-amp or an actual audio amplifier ?
2) if it is an op-amp, forget it and have a close look at the PDF that @jim hardy provided in post #8 ( the one before this post)
it will get you out of trouble and have a good little amp working for you
3) Figure 10 in the datasheet Jim provided shows how to connect a volume control
Dave
 
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