Does Dark Matter Interact with Itself in Black Holes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of dark matter with itself and its behavior in the presence of black holes. Participants explore theoretical implications of dark matter falling into black holes, its gravitational effects, and the conditions under which dark matter can congregate.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if dark matter falls into a black hole, the black hole would grow similarly to how it does with normal matter.
  • There is a suggestion that dark matter's weak interactions could make it difficult for dark matter particles to congregate unless influenced by gravitational pools.
  • One participant questions how the presence of a black hole could demonstrate that dark matter is a particle, noting the challenges in setting up such an experiment.
  • Another participant asserts that dark matter structures formed before visible matter, indicating a historical context for dark matter's behavior in the universe.
  • A question is raised about the behavior of dark matter in an accretion disk, including potential heating and radiation effects due to gravitational interactions.
  • There is a mention of the necessity for dark matter to interact with cross sections comparable to weak interactions during its thermal production in the early universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the interaction of dark matter with itself and its behavior in gravitational fields, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the complexities of dark matter interactions, including the dependence on gravitational influences and the challenges in experimental verification. There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of dark matter interactions and the implications of its behavior in different contexts.

Justice Hunter
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Hey so i have a naive question that i always had since i was young, but i never really could find an answer to it.

Lets say you have a black hole isolated in a vacuum, in a closed system.

Dark matter is supposed to be a sort of weakly interacting massive particle, which exerts a gravitational pull(?), and undergoes gravitational influence.

If dark matter is introduced into the system with the black hole, wouldn't the black hole "suck it in" and grow?
 
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If dark matter falls into a black hole, the black hole grows, just as if normal matter falls into it.
 
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Orodruin said:
If dark matter falls into a black hole, the black hole grows, just as if normal matter falls into it.

Ah okay thank you. I've always thought that would be the case. It seems like a simple enough experiment to prove that dark matter is really a particle. Then again, setting up a black hole in a lab is no easy task.

I guess i also have another follow up question. i believe Dark matter is said to barely interact with other dark matter particles (?), so normally they wouldn't be able to congregate at all. However, they can congregate near gravitational pools (curvatures in space-time)

Does this mean that dark matter can only congregate in the presence of visible matter?
 
Justice Hunter said:
It seems like a simple enough experiment to prove that dark matter is really a particle.

How do you think this would show that dark matter is a particle?

Justice Hunter said:
Then again, setting up a black hole in a lab is no easy task.

Any black hole of lab size would evaporate essentially immediately due to Hawking radiation.
Also, just that there is a black hole does not mean that a lot of dark matter would fall into it, the dark matter would have to be captured by the black hole first and this is just normal gravitation.

Justice Hunter said:
I guess i also have another follow up question. i believe Dark matter is said to barely interact with other dark matter particles (?), so normally they wouldn't be able to congregate at all. However, they can congregate near gravitational pools (curvatures in space-time)

Does this mean that dark matter can only congregate in the presence of visible matter?

In fact, it is the other way around. Dark matter structures formed long before matter was cool enough to start forming structures. This plays a key role in our current view of structure formation in the early Universe.
 
Orodruin said:
In fact, it is the other way around. Dark matter structures formed long before matter was cool enough to start forming structures. This plays a key role in our current view of structure formation in the early Universe.
Ah okay! So dark matter particles DO interact with each other?

Orodruin said:
How do you think this would show that dark matter is a particle?

There would be no other DM candidates I'm sure.
 
Interesting. Indeed, what happens when dark matter falls into an accretion disk?
Would it heat up and start to radiate ? Friction might be low with only gravitational interaction.
Thermal gravitational waves perhaps?
 
Justice Hunter said:
Ah okay! So dark matter particles DO interact with each other?

In thermal production of dark matter in the early Universe, it is necessary that dark matter interacts with cross sections of the same order as weak cross sections.
 

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