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Does Religon Show Weakness in Society

  1. Yes

    29 vote(s)
    59.2%
  2. No (atheist)

    8 vote(s)
    16.3%
  3. No (theist)

    12 vote(s)
    24.5%
  1. Oct 29, 2004 #1
    Is religon a sign of weakness in society. A sign that we are not advance as we should be, that we still must explain our unknowns by superficial means. It seems stupid to us that the ancienct Greeks had many gods like Zeus and Posideon, will that be the case in the future. Will people from the future wonder why we didn't realize that God didn't exist. This poll is mainly for athiests, although I am sure I will get a bunch of theist responses.
     
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  3. Oct 29, 2004 #2
    This is another way of asking do you belive humans will evolve beyond religon.
     
  4. Oct 29, 2004 #3

    arildno

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    I voted yes.
    And yes, already today, a lot of civilized individuals have no need for the mental crutch of religion in their lives
    (I'm talking here of prescriptive, institutionalized religion).
     
  5. Oct 29, 2004 #4

    PerennialII

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    Yes, most religions have nothing to offer .... philosophy will fare better.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2004 #5
    i voted yes with the assumption that your use of the term 'religion' meant the traditional organizations.

    let's be mindful that we all have a personal religion which is needed to steer a course through life.

    love&peace,
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  7. Oct 29, 2004 #6
    OK,
    I voted for NO, if it is just "Yes or No" with one word..
    In more specific: Yes! In some places in the world, religion either by itself or by the systems who controls it encourage to destroy Earth! An Example is the Christianity Churches who support Imperialism, Colonaliasm and Slave trading.... [No offend for christians..ok?] and supporting Land-Lords, which make the society "evolve" through secularism..and thus weakened the religion auithority...

    Yes Europre benefit from that in some aspects...but they lost the fact that if a religon system is "not good" and was substituted with another, never means that "every" religion should organization should be treated the same e.d ending the society to be "secular" to reduce that rel. organization authoiry...
     
  8. Oct 29, 2004 #7
    a simple thing: Old Greeks are not all the world...even in the old times...did you know how many Monothiests nations where at that time? Generalization of all the world situation about religion depending on just europre "religion evolving" is not valid..i think. :smile:

    Polythiesm is "broken" in the face of monothiesm, and studies now show that even "Athiesm" [Which you may wonder how i see it polythiesm] is decreasing in "Muslim world" and increase largely in "Christian World", and monothiest religion in general is increasing in China...No generalization, plz
     
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  9. Oct 30, 2004 #8
    i voted no, and i'm athiest - well, agnostic, but close enough...
    religion may be the stated cause of too many wars and unnessary conflicts, but it certaintally does not show a weakness in society; many of the greatest countries in history were driven by religion - there were not weak.
     
  10. Oct 30, 2004 #9
    I agree that many countries have been driven by religion. That fact does not mean that religion is still not a weakness. Many country leaders have been forced to use religion because of the general moral weakness of the average individual; futhermore, the country leaders usually aren't forced to use religion but have to be religious to become a leader.

    I think the problem with countries that don't have strong religious beliefs and aren't successful is that the people are too weak to get along without the religion. They need to be taught and strengthened to not depend on religion.
     
  11. Oct 30, 2004 #10
    control of the masses, right?
    But the best leaders in history didn't need religion.
     
  12. Oct 30, 2004 #11

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    At their best, religions have been able to inspire talented painters, sculptors and composers. At their worst, as mentioned above, religions have preached intolerance even to the point of advocating killing people who don't believe in the same way. To give atheism its due, Stalin also was a big (atheist) advocate of killing people who didn't see things his way.

    I think religions will be with us for thousands more years. I will predict that in another couple of hundred years the percentage of Believers who deny evolution will be as low as the percentage who currently maintain that the Earth is flat.
     
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  13. Oct 30, 2004 #12
    Mmmm, sounds we use one word while speaking about two or more than one thingys..

    So: What is Religion guys? I am not out tracking the thread but it is crucial to continue to agree in one usage of the word "religion"

    For me i see as: "Religion" is a system for life from God to humans.
    i.e for me :A nice guy [girl] saying nice thingys and order peple to follow, is not establishing a religion, even he is claimed to be "send from God..prophet..messenger..whatever"

    This is expanded to contain that the tradition mix with what God [yeah, we assume here that He exists, and sees and hears us now!] IS NOT A RELIGION.
    EVEN it is calimed to be called religon be people.

    Thus, religion still is not a weakness by definition, but the religon organizations [Which leads to society crruption in many nations, and to the highness in others] and who use the "proper religion" as "drugs" to make the societ "high to the max" IS weakened the society by religion.

    Janitor, Evolution theory in its base is NOT VALID, but some branches of it is. it is collapsing widely... [ I will see if i can show some links via the web for that]
     
  14. Oct 30, 2004 #13
    Well, Genghis Khan was not having a religion [was he good] , others great ones such as Moses , Muhammad , Jesus are
     
  15. Oct 31, 2004 #14
    There is no way there is a substancial number of people who still dont' believe in evolution is there?

    Anyone have the percentage?
     
  16. Oct 31, 2004 #15

    please provide links to trusted names in science... not something like timecube
     
  17. Oct 31, 2004 #16
    Ok, at least I lived in the middle east for many years, among Muslims there, they do not believe that humans are sons of monkeys or bacteria..they believe that the are sons of Adam [Yeah, i am son of dad Adam as well, and mama Eve :approve: ] They logically argure that if God says a thingy, and it is proven that God said that thingy, any human condicts it , is wrong..[in thier words i am saying]

    the bunch of links will come, try to "Very Proper" in english [could you read hebrew? or turkish?]
     
  18. Oct 31, 2004 #17
    The arrogance is beyond me. If you little fools and old fools alike only understood. Your responses are out of weakness. Out of unconcious unused mind. Young stupid fools. My answer is YES. For the it is out of weakness that even science is formed. You must create a method for the thing you do not understand. If you understand it, experience it what is there to create? Once the one who unerstood is gone there is a need to fill a void because why? Because you are not experiening what they did.

    Understanding creates what is percieved as strength. It is not strength, it is that in pure understanding there can be no fear only understanding because the experiencer is in a pure state of witness which leaves nothing left for fear.
     
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  19. Oct 31, 2004 #18
    Mmm...ok cool:
    Simply, If you PROVED a religion is from Lord God, then people followed that religion. It is a STRONG thingy for society, since thier God who knows every things and knows the humans [who without arguing are LIMITED ABILITIES BIENGS, and thus should not be ARROGANT....

    The only thingy is investigate: Is that "religion" who leads the society is from "God" and people follow rationally, or is it "A LIE" or/and people follow it just in ingorance and "too much zealotry" such as the Crusaders...or al-Qaeda nowadays...or even George Bush...

    I will not be the fool to branch the thread to "which religion is correct" but i say: If "The True Religion" from GOD exists, then people follow that X true religion, it is GREAT to be extremist in that religion, since follow the good rules to the max will make the society STRONGET...and more developed in SCIENCE and KNOWLDGE :approve: [Should i put long white beard next to my words to look wise...or they are ok like that :rofl: ]
     
  20. Nov 1, 2004 #19
    God has never instructed in the history of eternity any race or beings on any other planet to form any religion. This is reality. Out of the universe, out of god comes all things. So if a religion is born out of god which is all things, then ultimately the relgion came from god but not god the subjective as something separate. I said in the past I would never get logical like this but now I am weak. Much of many relgions is true, it is just interpereted incorrectly by those who do not want to understand or those who don't understand. It is not that they cannot understand.
     
  21. Nov 1, 2004 #20
    in this months national geographic, the front cover states "was darwin wrong" haven't read the article yet, but it may back you up, Moses.
     
  22. Nov 1, 2004 #21
    I.
    Yeah, aprreciate it, but i might open i new thread for discussing this issue, to keep this thread on its main track.

    Thx for metioning the source, i will added it to my "collection" against Uncle Darwin..

    II. At least in my faith...God is mentioning that "for every nation He sent a messenger from Him"...and "people change the origianl message for their own interests and [Cheap] price for this life" ,and they are another "rational creatures" in this planet that we cannot see "simply invisible" they most follow the religion which God oredered them...If they is another "rational being" on other planets...by Logic the "Universe Lord" should "give them the brochure for help". If it is important to mention to us who live on Earth how God deals with other "smart sapiens" He will say it... :smile:
     
  23. Nov 1, 2004 #22

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    Don't waste your time. That article deals with new and very recent discoveries that may alter the understanding of the details of human evolution. In no way does it claim that evolution is wrong or that humans did not evolve just like every other species. Unfortunately, the National Geographic, being a somewhat public-oriented publication, decided to go with a sensationalist but potentially misleading title.

    Now that you know, I hope you will not claim otherwise, as many who reject evolution are wont to do.
     
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  24. Nov 1, 2004 #23
    To return back to the core point where the "evolution" thingy pop up here:

    Simply: In any X society, if they use "rational" i.e. NOT fake legends and nice stories and un logical methologies to compehened the things around them that goes on. It is good [Yeah i know every body knows that!]

    HOWEVER, If that X society Religion contradicts with Logic results.. they have to figure out which one is wrong, IT HAS TO BE ONE in this case. Logically speaking not emotionally...

    "True Religion" should not contradic with science in its statements, the REAL currect statements which considered "facts"..If they contradic, since religion comes from "Perfect" resource i.e "The-God", and science not from "perfect" resource , it is abvoius who the society will favor...the resource which Never Will make the society Weak..the Ture Religion...

    If that religion is not Ture...they all the argument above is screwed.. and science wins in this case against that "False Religion"... :biggrin:

    Does it sounds good?
     
  25. Nov 2, 2004 #24

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    Great! All you need now is an objective test of whether that religion is True or not.
     
  26. Nov 2, 2004 #25
    Yep! and at the end some body shows me that I make "kinda sense"! :approve:

    Anti_crank, we can discuess the objective test in another thread since in this way we can have "more proper" space for it.

    Mentioning quickly an objective test before getting back to the main track: The-God should "sign" on it in His own way..call it miracles..proofs wahtever!

    If X claimed to be a religion, but it is Not a relgion so X: religion wanna be will show a weakness in society, if not in economics or politics for a while, it will show weakness inthe society rationality and its own critical thinking , and this is the worst weakness in my eyes! Remeber that X here is not a religion in this case, evev it is really "well-mixed" with some "true religion staff" :biggrin:

    If X is true religion , so all positive thingys about religion remains, and thus it is now a weakness for society! I.E RELIGION DOES NOT SHOW WEAKNESS IN SOCIETY. :smile:

    Lol, I love the mentor who deleted the couple of posts before this one, and one of them was mine :cry:, no actually :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
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