Does small angle mean small angular velocity?

In summary, the small-angle approximation of ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2\approx\theta^2\,\dot{\theta}^2## is considered to be fourth order in the small ##\theta##, as stated in (5.108). This means that the degree of the polynomial ##P(\theta,\dot \theta)= \theta^2\dot \theta^2## is 4, which can be achieved when both ##\theta## and ##\dot \theta## are small. The approximation of the Lagrangian up to second order terms corresponds to linearization of the Lagrange equations around equilibrium, where it is important that θ is small but the timescale is not
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Why is the term ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2## fourth order in the small ##\theta##, as claimed by the sentence below (5.108)?

By small-angle approximation, ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2\approx\theta^2\,\dot{\theta}^2##.

For this to be fourth order, it seems like we must have ##\theta=\dot{\theta}##. Why is this true? What are the conditions for this to be true?

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Happiness said:
For this to be fourth order, it seems like we must have θ=˙θ\theta=\dot{\theta}. Why is this true?
why quantities of different dimension must be equal? They must not. David Morin wrote a good book but definitely not for high school
 
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wrobel said:
why quantities of different dimension must be equal? They must not. David Morin wrote a good book but definitely not for high school

So is he right or wrong?
 
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Happiness said:
So is he right or wrong?
My advice is that you should first think about your own understanding whether it is right or wrong.
 
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wrobel said:
My advice is that you should first think about your own understanding whether it is right or wrong.

My understanding is that ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2## is second order in ##\theta##. But that would mean that it cannot be ignored, since (5.109) contains second-order terms.
 
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The degree of the term ## \theta^2\dot \theta^2## is equal to 2+2=4. It is a degree of polynomial ##P(\theta,\dot \theta)= \theta^2\dot \theta^2##. Both quantities ## \theta,\dot \theta## are assumed to be small. The approximation of the Lagrangian up to the second order terms corresponds to linearization of the Lagrange equations in the vicinity of equilibrium
 
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Here it is important that θ is small, but the timescale is not. ##\dot \theta## is "something with θ divided by time", which is small of θ is small.
 

Related to Does small angle mean small angular velocity?

1. What is the definition of small angle?

The definition of small angle is an angle that is less than 10 degrees. It is considered small because it is significantly smaller than a right angle (90 degrees) or a full circle (360 degrees).

2. How does small angle affect angular velocity?

Small angle does not have a direct effect on angular velocity. Angular velocity is determined by both the angle of rotation and the time it takes to complete that rotation. However, small angles may result in a smaller angular velocity if the time it takes to complete the rotation remains the same.

3. Is a small angle always associated with a small angular velocity?

No, a small angle does not always indicate a small angular velocity. The angular velocity is determined by the time it takes to complete a rotation, not just the size of the angle. A small angle with a shorter rotation time can result in a larger angular velocity than a larger angle with a longer rotation time.

4. How is angular velocity affected by changing the size of the angle?

As mentioned, angular velocity is determined by both the angle of rotation and the time it takes to complete that rotation. Therefore, changing the size of the angle without changing the rotation time will not have a significant effect on the angular velocity. However, if the rotation time is also changed, then the angular velocity will be affected.

5. Can a small angle have a large angular velocity?

Yes, a small angle can have a large angular velocity if the rotation time is short. For example, a small angle of 5 degrees with a rotation time of 1 second will have a larger angular velocity than a large angle of 30 degrees with a rotation time of 10 seconds.

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