Does the formula v=∆x/(cos⁡θt) give the TOTAL velocity of a projectile

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The discussion revolves around determining the velocity of water from a hose projected at various angles using principles of projectile motion. The original poster is experimenting with measuring the velocity based on horizontal range and time of flight, specifically questioning whether the calculated velocity represents the total velocity of the water.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the application of the formula v=∆x/(cos⁡θt) and its implications for understanding projectile motion. There are inquiries about the distinction between total velocity and initial velocity, as well as the accuracy of the measurements taken during the experiment.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the concepts of horizontal and vertical components of velocity, with some providing insights into the implications of the measurements. The original poster has shared experimental data, and there is ongoing exploration of the accuracy and interpretation of these results.

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There are mentions of potential inaccuracies in measuring the time of flight and horizontal distance, as well as considerations regarding the height of the nozzle affecting the results. The original poster has conducted multiple tests, which adds complexity to the analysis of the data.

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Homework Statement


I'm doing an experiment where I'm trying to determine the velocity of a hose when fully turned on using projectile motion. I projected the hose at different angles (15,30,45,60,75,90 degrees) doing 3 tests on each 1. Here is an example I made with the a set of results -

At an angle of 15 degrees from the ground, a hose is turned on. It has a time of flight of 0.4 seconds and a horizontal range of 2.47 meters.


Homework Equations


v=∆x/(cos⁡θt)


The Attempt at a Solution


Horizontal range = v * cos θ * t
2.47 = v * cos 15 * 0.4
v = 2.47 ÷ (cos 15 * 0.4) = 6.392830414 m/s

Is this the TOTAL velocity of the water coming from the hose?

I've asked this question before but somebody told me that this was only the initial velocity, not the actual velocity of the water from the hose and now I'm confused.
 
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where-ever you got that equation, it should not have been presented in that format.
if you launch an object with velocity v , that is elevated by angle ⁡θ above horizontal,
then the horizontal displacement during time t is ∆x = (v cos⁡θ) t
... the (v cos⁡θ) is just the horizontal velocity component.

The key issue with projectiles is figuring out how long (t) the thing is in the air.
on level ground, your 2.47m/s water only stays in the air 0.13s.
 
But it wasn't 2.47 m/s, it was 2.47 m. So is the answer still wrong?
 
yeah, you pretended it spent .4s in the air. ... what do you think its vertical speed was, at the beginning?
 
Why do you think I pretended?
 
sorry, your post #3 did not all display when I posted my #4.

if the (full) initial speed had been 6.39 m/s, its upward portion would have started at 1.65m/s,
and it would've spent .34 s in the air , is that close enough to 0.4 s ?

is this 0.4s measured in the experiment? That would be unusual, and tricky to accomplish with precision.
(measuring the angle is easy, measuring range with water maybe not)
 
I did 3 tests for all of the angles... To time the water I used a camera, filmed it and then slowed it down on my computer.
For 15 degrees, I got 2.47 m, 2.40 m, and 2.43 m (range of each test, average of 2.43 m) and 0.40 s, 0.38 s, and 0.36 s (time of flight for each test, average of 0.37 s). The average velocity for 15 degrees was 6.64 m/s. I'm just unsure if this is the velocity of the water.
 
trusting your time and horizontal distance measurements, that equation will provide the entire (diagonal) speed.

how high above the landing-spot was the nozzle opening? (that will slightly increase the flight time).
 
its was about 7 cm above, but I could just include that in my report as error or measure the range from where the nozzle is closest to the ground and include it in the displacement. I know that would be inaccurate but there is room for inaccuracies for this assignment.
 

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