Does the resistance of a material vary when introduced into water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effect of immersing a copper wire in water on its electrical resistance. Participants explore the implications of water as a dielectric material, the influence of temperature on resistivity, and the experimental approaches to measure these effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the intensity of current through a copper wire will remain the same when it is immersed in water, suggesting that water may introduce a potential drop due to its dielectric properties.
  • Another participant inquires about the research conducted on the topic, seeking to understand prior findings related to the effect of water on resistance.
  • A participant mentions preparing an experimental project on temperature's influence on metal resistivity, expressing uncertainty about the accuracy of measurements when the wire is submerged in water.
  • There is a suggestion that a simple experiment could be conducted to measure resistance before and after immersion in water, highlighting the practicality of testing the hypothesis directly.
  • One participant notes that pure water has high resistivity and compares immersing a wire in water to surrounding it with an insulating sleeve, prompting a discussion about the implications for resistance.
  • Concerns are raised about the numerous variables involved in measuring any potential effects, particularly if the effects are small.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while many variables exist, only a few are significant if the resistivity of the metal is vastly different from that of the dielectric.
  • Discussion includes the idea that for DC measurements, the dielectric constant may not significantly impact results, but questions arise about potential ionic interactions between copper and water over time.
  • One participant proposes a simplified model where water acts as a resistor in parallel with the copper wire, discussing the implications of different conductivity scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effects of water on resistance, with no consensus reached. Some propose that water's high resistivity may minimize its impact, while others highlight the complexity introduced by various factors, including ionic interactions and measurement challenges.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their discussions, including assumptions about the separation of materials, the potential for absorption, and the complexity of measuring small effects amidst numerous variables.

Cloruro de potasio
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Suppose we have a copper wire, of resistance R, and we introduce it in water, when applying now a certain potential difference between the two ends, will the intensity that circulates through the wire be the same, and therefore also the resistance ?, is there going to be a potential drop due to the resistance presented by water, since it is a dielectric material?

Your answers would help me a lot.

Thanks in advance.
 
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What research have you done on this so far? What have you found out?
 
I am preparing a small experimental project for the university on the influence of temperature on the resistivity of metals, and I have seen that one of the possible ways of measuring it is by introducing the material into water and increasing the temperature, but I have not just seen very clear if, when introduced into water, the measures will be correct or if the presence of water (as a dielectric material) will have some influence ...
 
You did not answer my question. What research have you done on this so far? What have you found out? By "this" I mean immersion in water's affect on overall resistance.
 
Cloruro de potasio said:
I am preparing a small experimental project for the university on the influence of temperature on the resistivity of metals, and I have seen that one of the possible ways of measuring it is by introducing the material into water and increasing the temperature, but I have not just seen very clear if, when introduced into water, the measures will be correct or if the presence of water (as a dielectric material) will have some influence ...

You know, this is such a SIMPLE thing to test, especially when you are "... preparing a small experimental project...". Why can't you have a coil of copper wire, measure its resistance with a multimeter, and then immerse it in water at room temperature with the ends sticking out (so that you won't mess up the contact point with your multimeter), re-measure the resistance?

This will tell you almost immediately if immersing it in water will affect the resistance, won't it? What prevented you from doing this?

Zz.
 
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Cloruro de potasio said:
if the presence of water (as a dielectric material) will have some influence
Pure water has a very high resistivity (you refer to it as a dielectric material). Wouldn't immersing a wire in water not be much the same as surrounding it in an insulating sleeve (like most of the 'wires' that people use).
Clue: what's the formula for the equivalent R of two Resistances in Parallel?
 
There are so many variables here but if there is an effect and its very small how will you measure it?
 
Dadface said:
There are so many variables here
But only a very few important ones if you remember the vast difference between the resistivity of the metal and the dielectric and make some justified approximations.
 
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If this is a DC measurement, the (real part) of the dielectric constant should not matter. For pure water the conductivity will be small but is there any ionic chemistry with the copper over time? The worst case test might be an "almost shorted" solenoidal coil of wire of considerable length with and without water. And maybe measure the conductivity of the "pure" water after removing the coil at the end.
 
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To keep things simple, assume that nothing is absorbed and that the material and water stay separate. In that case, the water would be a resister in parallel with the material. Consider the two extremes. If the material is an excellent conductor, the current through water can probably be ignored. On the other hand, if the material is an insulator, the current through the material can probably be ignored. In less extreme cases, you can probably use the formula for parallel resisters.

PS. If there is absorption, the situation is more complicated. Damp soil is a better conductor than dry soil. Water in the soil is a better conductor than air.
 

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