Does the velocity of sound change when the source moves?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the velocity of sound changes when the source of the sound is in motion. The subject area pertains to wave mechanics and the properties of sound in different reference frames.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the velocity of sound and the motion of the source, questioning the implications of various equations related to sound velocity. Some express confusion about the definitions of the velocities involved in the equations presented.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into how the motion of the source affects the perceived frequency of sound rather than its speed. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the velocities involved, and some participants are seeking clarification on these concepts.

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Participants are considering different reference frames and the implications of motion on sound propagation. There is a mention of the Doppler effect as a relevant concept in understanding the relationship between source motion and sound perception.

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Homework Statement


Will the velocity of sound change if the source moves?

Homework Equations


The velocity of velocity of sound in air equals:
$$V=\sqrt{\frac{\gamma RT}{M}}=const$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it doesn't change. But it seems to conflict with the equation :
$$\vec{v_{air}}=\vec{v_s}+\vec{V}$$
 
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Hamal_Arietis said:

Homework Statement


Will the velocity of sound change if the source moves?

Homework Equations


The velocity of velocity of sound in air equals:
$$V=\sqrt{\frac{\gamma RT}{M}}=const$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it doesn't change. But it seems to conflict with the equation :
$$\vec{v_{air}}=\vec{v_s}+\vec{V}$$
Please explain what each velocity represents in that last equation.
 
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In room reference frame
##v_{air}## is the velocity of sound that observer receives. ##v_s## is velocity of source and ## V ## is the velocity of sound if source doesn't move.
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
In room reference frame
##v_{air}## is the velocity of sound that observer receives. ##v_s## is velocity of source and ## V ## is the velocity of sound if source doesn't move.
I don't understand.
In the room reference frame, the source, receiver and air may all have a velocity, and the sound has a velocity relative to the air.
Let's call these vs, vr, va, and V respectively, all measured in the same direction.

What does your equation look like in those terms? You seem to be saying that the sound arrives at the receiver with speed V+vs-vr, but that is not true. No matter how the source moves, the velocity of the sound waves relative to the room is V+va, and relative to the receiver is V+va-vr. The frequency is another matter.
 
Sorry .I seem air and receiver don't move. And source comes near observer. So the velocity of sound that obsever receives v=vs+ V
 
Hamal_Arietis said:
Sorry .I seem air and receiver don't move. And source comes near observer. So the velocity of sound that obsever receives v=vs+ V
No, as I posted, the velocity of the source does not affect the velocity of the sound waves. It does affect the frequency.
 
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Thanks a lot for helping. I understanded.
Answering this question helps me prove the Dopper effect.
 

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