Doomsday Preppers: Are They Mentally Ill?

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The discussion centers around a reality show featuring families preparing for extreme doomsday scenarios, such as a coronal mass ejection and nuclear holocaust. Concerns are raised about the psychological impact on children exposed to these beliefs, with some arguing that it constitutes child abuse. The families engage in drills and training that instill fear and promote a survivalist mentality, including preparing for violent confrontations with neighbors. Critics express disbelief at the show's portrayal of these families and the so-called experts who endorse their actions, suggesting it sensationalizes fear for entertainment value. The conversation also touches on broader societal issues, including the normalization of extreme preparedness and the potential consequences of such beliefs on community dynamics. Participants question the rationality of these preparations, contrasting them with practical emergency planning and expressing skepticism about the motivations behind the show and its production.
  • #121
swishAL said:
Evo, Turbo, DaveC4, and others... as a prepper I really appreciate your opinions on this subject. For the most part I do agree. Along the lines of what Dave was saying you are more likely to be brutally attacked and killed by a 2 week old kitten than some of the scenarios that play out in the "prepping world". What you guys have to understand is that is a small segment of the prepping community. We don't all believe the sky is falling tomorrow, or that bad guys are on every corner just waiting to attack us.

Evo, I completely understand your concern for the children and appreciate that. Just keep in mind it is a TV show and I seriously doubt that family is throwing on their hazmat suits everyday. If they are close to a Nuke Plant think of it as a fire drill if you will. Or in your case a tornado drill. Nothing wrong with having a plan in place. I get the fact that chances of a fire or a tornado are greater than the nuke plant having issues, but if it helps them sleep better at night then go for it. Oh, and having silhouettes as targets is very common when you go to the gun rang and are wanting to learn self defense. I don't remember hearing the part about shooting neighbors in the show. I will have to re-watch that part. As for defending yourself against intruders, I would recommend anyone learn how to do that.

Honestly I am trying to be more like turbo, a little more self sufficient. I do own a few guns as I'm sure he does. Out here in the sticks we learn to hunt and fish at a early age. It's just part of the culture. I have about a half acre garden this year with another acre of corn. It is just what I like to do.

Sorry to have "invaded" your forum. I really do appreciate all your opinions and love to look at each side of the coin.

I must say that I'm actually quite pleased by some of the responds that preppers gave here. The doomsday preppers like shown on national geographic are still people I can't understand. But most preppers that responded here gave me the impression to be quite rational and sane people. It wasn't really something I expected, but I'm pleased that I was proven wrong. Looking at both sides of the coin is always best!
 
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  • #122
Evo said:
So how do you feel about telling children they may have only a year to live, based on an unrealistic fear?

BTW, the CME just happened, earlier than expected. It happened the first week of June.

http://www.space.com/11893-huge-sun-eruption-spectacular-solar-flare.html

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so the article confirms cme, it just didn't have a direct on the earth. The sun is going through a active cycle right now, from the article "The sun is currently going through an active period in it is 11-year solar weather cycle. " which scientist are saying will culminate in 2012, which is probably a reason for those peoples concerns, not the mayans
 
  • #123
swishAL said:
What you guys have to understand is that is a small segment of the prepping community. We don't all believe the sky is falling tomorrow, or that bad guys are on every corner just waiting to attack us.
Yep. I think we're seeing that. Every group has its fringe, and it is folly to judge a whole group by them, yet that is what often happens.

I think you guys did the right thing coming over here and joining. After reading through some of the threads there, I half expected we'd be inundated with mockery and threats. But we've had a chance to hear from the more rational side.

And it sounds like many of us here are taking the precautions we think are best too.
 
  • #124
micromass said:
I must say that I'm actually quite pleased by some of the responds that preppers gave here. The doomsday preppers like shown on national geographic are still people I can't understand. But most preppers that responded here gave me the impression to be quite rational and sane people. It wasn't really something I expected, but I'm pleased that I was proven wrong. Looking at both sides of the coin is always best!

I think the producers painted a very negative picture of the families. Family one and two have blogs and are very sane. Family 3 have a very informative youtube channel. Family 2 even posted on the survivalistboards that the nighttime delivery was bogus, and the producers added it for drama.
 
  • #125
Ftheog said:
I think the producers painted a very negative picture of the families. Family one and two have blogs and are very sane. Family 3 have a very informative youtube channel. Family 2 even posted on the survivalistboards that the nighttime delivery was bogus, and the producers added it for drama.
Which family was doing the human target practice? And I have to say that the woman that said "We have no other purpose in life than to prepare for armageddon.", falls into the doomsday group, well, actually all 4 families believed in a doomsday scenario, and their actions were the result of this fear.

I can believe that most "preppers" do not wish to be associated with these people. I believe one prepper that posted here said that these types represent maybe 1 percent of preppers.

People that just wish to be more self sufficient, more power to them, groups that are doomsday believers, those people need help. I feel sorry for them. This thread is about that fringe.
 
  • #126
Evo said:
...the woman that said "We have no other purpose in life than to prepare for armageddon.", falls into the doomsday group...

I am highly suspicious of anything anyone says through the eye of a camera. Nay, more than suspicious - if it sounds irrational, I assume it is
a] encouraged to be hammed up to sound sensational, or
b] out-of-context - it's been edited, or, most likely,
c] all of the above.

The moment I see/hear things like this, I apply this rule, and just ignore it.

Evo, IMO, you're reacting exactly the way the producers expect - they're getting your goat.

OK, they have a website. Does their website say "We have no other purpose in life than to prepare for armageddon"? (I dunno. Maybe it does.)
 
  • #127
Evo said:
Which family was doing the human target practice? And I have to say that the woman that said "We have no other purpose in life than to prepare for armageddon.", falls into the doomsday group, well, actually all 4 families believed in a doomsday scenario, and their actions were the result of this fear.

I can believe that most "preppers" do not wish to be associated with these people. I believe one prepper that posted here said that these types represent maybe 1 percent of preppers.

People that just wish to be more self sufficient, more power to them, groups that are doomsday believers, those people need help. I feel sorry for them. This thread is about that fringe.

most people who shoot use paper human targets, guns are a tool of self defense. the woman who said that is prepping for hyper-inflation and collapse of the economic system, so she is preparing for her version of armageddon. Look at how many people in the middle class have had their finances wiped out. Pensions gone, lost their homes, Social Security will be underfunded by 2035. That's not financial armageddon to you?
 
  • #128
DaveC426913 said:
I am highly suspicious of anything anyone says through the eye of a camera. Nay, more than suspicious - if it sounds irrational, I assume it is
a] encouraged to be hammed up to sound sensational, or
b] out-of-context - it's been edited, or, most likely,
c] all of the above.

The moment I see/hear things like this, I apply this rule, and just ignore it.

Evo, IMO, you're reacting exactly the way the producers expect - they're getting your goat.

OK, they have a website. Does their website say "We have no other purpose in life than to prepare for armageddon"? (I dunno. Maybe it does.)

here is her site

http://thesurvivalmom.com/"
 
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  • #129
DaveC426913 said:
I am highly suspicious of anything anyone says through the eye of a camera. Nay, more than suspicious - if it sounds irrational, I assume it is
a] encouraged to be hammed up to sound sensational, or
b] out-of-context - it's been edited, or, most likely,
c] all of the above.

The moment I see/hear things like this, I apply this rule, and just ignore it.
I suggest that you watch the show before deciding.
 
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  • #131
Uhm...speaks for itself.

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/10/04/could-solar-storms-in-2012-cause-a-solar-emp/

PrepperMike said:
Suggest reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

If you think it can't happen here just look at what the fed and the government are doing and what they propose.
What exactly do you think is going to happen in the US? You seem to think this is a doomsday scenario, so I'll bend the rules a bit and let you state in a short paragraph what this scenario that you envison is.
 
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  • #132
Guest post by mama4x who blogs at Farming Salt & Light.
 
  • #133
curious as to why my last post was deleted?
 
  • #134
Ftheog said:
curious as to why my last post was deleted?
Check your private messages.
 
  • #135
Evo said:
Uhm...speaks for itself.

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/10/04/could-solar-storms-in-2012-cause-a-solar-emp/

What exactly do you think is going to happen in the US? You seem to think this is a doomsday scenario, so I'll bend the rules a bit and let you state in a short paragraph what this scenario that you envison is.

In the hyper-inflation scenario all your monetary savings are essentially useless as the prices skyrocket. Hyper-inflation is caused when government over prints money to fill in the blanks when revenue doesn't match outgo (sound familiar?) unless some drastic measures are taken the USA is lining up for this scenario to happen. Imagine all your money worthless, loaves of bread costing hundreds if not thousands of dollars, no social security, no welfare, no jobs. Do you think those that feel they are entitled will just sit back and starve? The great depression had two things going for it, first, everyone had a work-together and get-us-out-of-this attitude and second,we actually manufactured things in the USA. Now we have the me-first and entitlement crowd and no large industrial base to fall back on. Sorry, McDonalds won't save us.
 
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  • #136
Since my last post on the subject of EMP was deleted because of linking to s sensationalist site, how about this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/uk-minister-says-iran-has-carried-out-secret-missile-tests-alongside-public-military-maneuvers/2011/06/29/AGo7sUqH_story.html

With these missiles and a relatively small nuke designed for EMP the Iranians with a single missile could drive us nearly back to a pre-industrial country. So the possibility of an EMP is not as unlikely as we would wish it to be. Many of the radical Islam groups would relish being nuked if it meant they had brought us to our knees so MAD really doesn't mean anything to them.
 
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  • #137
ok, let's try this then

this is what a trillion dollar looks like, double stacked pallets of 100 dollar bills larger than a football field

pallet_x_10000.jpg


our current debt is over 14 times of those, it is mathematically impossible to pay off, there is only two ways to deal with it, default or devalue the dollar with inflation to pay it off at a discounted rate, which further destroys the little wealth of the middle class
 
  • #138
And who will insist that the US pays off his debt?? If the US goes bankrupt then it will drag the whole world down. Nobody wants this...
 
  • #139
PrepperMike said:
In the hyper-inflation scenario all your monetary savings are essentially useless as the prices skyrocket. Hyper-inflation is caused when government over prints money to fill in the blanks when revenue doesn't match outgo (sound familiar?) unless some drastic measures are taken the USA is lining up for this scenario to happen. Imagine all your money worthless, loaves of bread costing hundreds if not thousands of dollars, no social security, no welfare, no jobs. Do you think those that feel they are entitled will just sit back and starve? The great depression had two things going for it, first, everyone had a work-together and get-us-out-of-this attitude and second,we actually manufactured things in the USA. Now we have the me-first and entitlement crowd and no large industrial base to fall back on. Sorry, McDonalds won't save us.
Thanks. Nope, not going to happen, IMO.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. It's your life, not mine. Unfortunately it was fear of banks that caused the Japanese to keep their money at home in small safes. Those that survived the Tsunami had their entire life's savings lost. And you know what, people that found those safes full of money and jewelry didn't steal them, they turned them into the police in hopes that the owners could be found.

I live very cheaply and practically. I can grow my own food, I'm a great cook from scratch. I sew, knit, crochet, about the only thing I don't do is spin my own yarn and weave cloth, but I can take clothes apart and make new clothes from the cloth. I know how to make patterns. I'm good at plumbing and carpentry (thanks to my mom and 1st husband.

But I don't fear any doomsday scenarious. I'm far more likely to die of a stroke or heart attack.
 
  • #140
So...basically you are prepared so you aren't afraid. That is all we preppers strive for. You are a prepper whether you admit it or not! :)
 
  • #141
It's ok to come out of the prepping closet evo. We won't judge you.
 
  • #142
Evo said:
Thanks. Nope, not going to happen, IMO.

I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. It's your life, not mine. Unfortunately it was fear of banks that caused the Japanese to keep their money at home in small safes. Those that survived the Tsunami had their entire life's savings lost. And you know what, people that found those safes full of money and jewelry didn't steal them, they turned them into the police in hopes that the owners could be found.

I live very cheaply and practically. I can grow my own food, I'm a great cook from scratch. I sew, knit, crochet, about the only thing I don't do is spin my own yarn and weave cloth, but I can take clothes apart and make new clothes from the cloth. I know how to make patterns. I'm good at plumbing and carpentry (thanks to my mom and 1st husband.

But I don't fear any doomsday scenarious. I'm far more likely to die of a stroke or heart attack.
Why don't people preserve basic skills in their families and pass them on to their children? I was the only kid in my family who would work hard to gather wild foods, prepare them, and learn cooking and baking skills from my mother and grandmother. My 3 sisters couldn't be bothered, and nobody pressed the issue. That was a LONG time back, so I can't hang that laziness on the current generation, but it is disappointing to see basic skills falling by the wayside.

One of my neighbors loves to hunt, but when he shoots a deer he calls me so I will go down to his place and gut it out for him. The last time, the non-hunting neighbor between us (he used to hunt, but he stopped eating meat) asked me to wait a bit so he could take his grand-daughters down to watch. They were 4 and 6 at the time, IIR. As I gutted the deer, I explained what I was taking out of it (intestines, stomach, liver, kidneys, etc) and explained what all the parts did. The girls were thrilled. Their grandfather chimed in with extra information whenever they had a question. As usual, I was all blood practically up to my elbows, but the girls weren't put off by that. That summer, my neighbor had bought a bunch of broiler chicks and raised them in a portable rolling pen. The girls were there to see the broilers slaughtered and cleaned. He's a good guy - he just wants the girls to know where the meat on their plates comes from, and they are better-off for it, IMO.
 
  • #143
micromass said:
And who will insist that the US pays off his debt?? If the US goes bankrupt then it will drag the whole world down. Nobody wants this...

There lies the question. On September 11 2008 almost 500 billion dollars was electronically withdrawn from the fed trading window. There was a electronic run on the banks. The fed immediately closed the window and raised the FDIC insurance level to 250000. You can Google it. There is a video on YouTube of a Rep from pa talking about it on cspan. Yet no one has explained exactly where the money has gone. China and Russia are pushing for a replacement of the dollar as the world reserve currency. China is buying assets and commodities with money funded by consumer lifestyle of the us. Heck they are building a majority of the new bridge in San Francisco. While the government goes on TV giving lip service about job creation.
 
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  • #144
Ftheog said:
There lies the question. On September 11 2008 almost 500 billion dollars was electronically withdrawn from the fed trading window. There was a electronic run on the banks. The fed immediately closed the window and raised the FDIC insurance level to 250000. You can Google it. There is a video on YouTube of a Rep from pa talking about it on cspan. Yet no one has explained exactly where the money has gone. China and Russia are pushing for a replacement. Of the dollar as the reserve currency. China is buying assets and commodities with money funded by consumer lifestyle of the us. Heck they are building a majority of the new bridge in San Francisco. While the government goes on TV giving lip service about job creation.
We don't allow fear mongering over overly speculative posts.

The thread topic is the Nat Geo show depicting the lifestyle of *doomsday preppers*. Further off topic posting will be deleted.

I will allow discussions of doomsday cults, like the raelian invasion of part of France that has been in the news recently. But it must be about that issue.
 
  • #145
It explains my thoughts on why I think hyperinflation is a concern. Everything I posted is easily verified.
 
  • #146
Ftheog said:
It explains my thoughts on why I think hyperinflation is a concern. Everything I posted is easily verified.
But extrapolating anything out to the point of a doomsday scenario is too overly speculative for our forum.
 
  • #147
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGVeLFscMFw"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/6152204/UN-wants-new-global-currency-to-replace-dollar.html"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8602786/New-San-Francisco-bridge-built-in-China-to-be-shipped-to-US.html"

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/31/1472023/chinese-company-eyes-boise.html"

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/into-africa-banks-expand-south-of-sahara/"
 
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  • #148
Evo said:
But extrapolating anything out to the point of a doomsday scenario is too overly speculative for our forum.

since I listed mainstream outlets to support my speculation on the doomsday scenario that we are discussing can my position stand then?
 
  • #149
turbo-1 said:
Why don't people preserve basic skills in their families and pass them on to their children? I was the only kid in my family who would work hard to gather wild foods, prepare them, and learn cooking and baking skills from my mother and grandmother. My 3 sisters couldn't be bothered, and nobody pressed the issue. That was a LONG time back, so I can't hang that laziness on the current generation, but it is disappointing to see basic skills falling by the wayside.

One of my neighbors loves to hunt, but when he shoots a deer he calls me so I will go down to his place and gut it out for him. The last time, the non-hunting neighbor between us (he used to hunt, but he stopped eating meat) asked me to wait a bit so he could take his grand-daughters down to watch. They were 4 and 6 at the time, IIR. As I gutted the deer, I explained what I was taking out of it (intestines, stomach, liver, kidneys, etc) and explained what all the parts did. The girls were thrilled. Their grandfather chimed in with extra information whenever they had a question. As usual, I was all blood practically up to my elbows, but the girls weren't put off by that. That summer, my neighbor had bought a bunch of broiler chicks and raised them in a portable rolling pen. The girls were there to see the broilers slaughtered and cleaned. He's a good guy - he just wants the girls to know where the meat on their plates comes from, and they are better-off for it, IMO.

What a great post!

Evo, you have to think of it like this. When the a-bomb dropped on Hiroshima there were people that survived only because they had prepared for an unlikely but possible scenario. I remember reading a article somewhere (that I am probably grossly misquoting) about a family that survived the blast and they were only a football field or two from ground zero. The reason they survived was because they had built a bunker and luckily the door faced the opposite direction from the blast wave. The chances were probably slim that the bomb would be dropped but they prepared anyway. Maybe some people (probably dead) thought they were crazy.

You can't just say because the chances of x (tornado) is greater than the chances of y (emp, nuke strike) should mean that people shouldn't prepare for y (I guess you could, but that would only be your opinion). What I keep seeing is you think these folks live in constant fear and that is simply not true. For most their fears are relieved because of prepping (I know mine are).

Again thanks for allowing this thread to continue. :)
 
  • #150
Ftheog said:
since I listed mainstream outlets to support my speculation on the doomsday scenario that we are discussing can my position stand then?
I'll leave your post, but this thread is not for discussing economics. As I said, it is ridiculous to predict a doomsday scenario, and we're not going to. There are many forums where you can make up doomsday scenarios all you want, this isn't one of them. Capiche? :smile:
 

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