Double Inequality: Find n0, c1, c2

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The discussion focuses on finding constants n0, c1, and c2 to satisfy the inequality c1 nb <= (n-a)b <= c2(n-a)b for all n > n0. A proposed solution suggests c1 = 0 and c2 = 1, with n0 being greater than a, based on the behavior of an alternating series. Additionally, the conversation shifts to proving another inequality involving functions f(n) and g(n), where f(n) is less than g(n) and both are positive. The challenge lies in determining a suitable constant c that satisfies the derived inequalities, with suggestions to explore limits to find a non-infinite solution. The discussion highlights the complexities of establishing these relationships in mathematical proofs.
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Homework Statement


find n0,c1,c2 for which the following is true:
c1 nb <=(n-a)b<=c2(n-a)b , for all n > n0

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c1 nb <=(n-a)b<=c2(n-a)b
c1 nb <=nb-nb-1a+nb-2a2-...-ab<=c2nb

c1<=1-a/n + a2/n2-... -ab/nb<=c2

isn't this true, for c1=0 , c2=1 , n0 >a ? Since every fraction will be less than its predecessor in the alternating series

0<=1-a/n + a2/n2-... -ab/nb<=1
 
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Yes, that seems to be correct.
 
Okay , may i ask another one then?
Prove if
f(n) <= (g(n)-f(n) ) *c/2 (1) , for constant c, for all n >= n0

where f(n),g(n) >0 , g(n) > f(n)
for n>=0 .
if yes, find constant c, n0

from (1), we have

cg(n)-(c+2) f(n) >= 0 (a), or we can rewrite as

c( g(n)-f(n) ) -2f(n) >=0 (b)

a) c= 0 , -2 false
c<0 , false
c > 0 , ?

b)g-f > 0
c<=0, false
c=-2, false
c>0 ?

don't know how to get around this. any clues?
 
You'll need to find a c such that

c\geq\frac{2f(n)}{g(n)-f(n)}

Maybe you can take the limit of the right-hand side and show that it is not infinite...
 
How will that information help?
 
That's worth poundering about...
 
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