Double Integrals in polar coordinates: Calculus 3

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The discussion revolves around converting a double integral from Cartesian to polar coordinates. The original integral is defined over a triangular region, with specific bounds for x and y, and participants are exploring how to accurately represent this region in polar coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the bounds of the region defined by the original integral, questioning how to determine the limits for r in polar coordinates. There is a focus on the relationship between the angles and the limits imposed by the original Cartesian bounds.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the bounds for θ while noting confusion regarding the bounds for r. There is acknowledgment that the upper limit for r is dependent on θ, indicating a productive direction in understanding the conversion process.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the region is not circular and that the conversion to polar coordinates requires careful consideration of the geometric shape defined by the original integral. The original problem's constraints and the nature of the region are under discussion.

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Homework Statement



Given \int^{\sqrt{6}}_{0}\int^{x}_{-x}dydx, convert to ploar coordinates and evaluate.



Homework Equations


We know that x=rcos\theta and y=rsin\theta and r =x^2+y^2


The Attempt at a Solution



First, I defined the region of the original integral: R = 0 \leqx\leq \sqrt{6} and -x\leqy\leqx.

In other words, we know that y is bounded on the lower limit by the line -x and the upper limit x. Because the line x produces a 45 degree angle, -\pi/4 \leq \theta \leq \pi/4.

However, I do not understand how to find domain of r. The region the original integral covers is not circular. We can prove this because at (\sqrt{6},0), r = \sqrt{6} and at (\sqrt{6}, \sqrt{6}), which is still in the region defined by the original integral, r = \sqrt{12} (\sqrt{\sqrt{6}^2+\sqrt{6}^2})

So that is where I am stuck. The answer to the problem according to the book is 6 but I do not know how to get there. All the examples we worked were circular regions.

Additionally, assuming the region is 0 \leq r \leq \sqrt{6} does not work either. \int^{pi/4}_{-pi/4} \int^{sqrt{6}}_{0} r dr d\theta = (3\pi)/2
 
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3pi/4 is 135 degrees. According the limits of integration, x only varies from 0 to \sqrt{6}. \theta cannot go past the limits set by x.

If \theta varied from pi/4 to to 3pi/4 wouldn't the limits of x be different?

However, I agree it is a triangle but I think the triangle is in positive x region, and the lower side of the triangle is the line -x.

I am fairly confident on the bounds of \theta, but very confused by the bounds of r.
 
timmastny said:
3pi/4 is 135 degrees. According the limits of integration, x only varies from 0 to \sqrt{6}. \theta cannot go past the limits set by x.

If \theta varied from pi/4 to to 3pi/4 wouldn't the limits of x be different?

However, I agree it is a triangle but I think the triangle is in positive x region, and the lower side of the triangle is the line -x.
You're right. I'm trying to multitask, and not doing to well at it. θ
is exactly as you say.
timmastny said:
I am fairly confident on the bounds of \theta, but very confused by the bounds of r.
The limit for r is the vertical line x = √6. Going to polar coordinates, this is r cos(θ) = √6. You can solve this equation for r. The lower limit for r is, of course, 0.
 
No problem, multitasking makes breathing hard, haha.

That makes perfect sense though. That means the upper limit of integration depends on θ. So many problems in polar coordinates have static bounds, I completely forgot about that.

Thanks!

P.S. I just calculated the new integral, it is indeed correct.
 

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