Doubling the energy of an oscillating mass on a spring

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy, amplitude, and angular frequency in oscillating systems. It clarifies that increasing the amplitude by √2 or the angular frequency by √2 both double the total energy, suggesting that both options A and B could be correct. However, confusion arises regarding the application of the equation v = rω, which is specific to circular motion and not applicable to one-dimensional oscillations. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the context of equations used in physics. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the nuances of energy conservation in simple harmonic motion (SHM) and the correct application of relevant equations.
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From my calculations, option A is correct. What am I doing wrong? Also, I can't find a relationship between amplitude and energy.

{ KE }_{ max }=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } m{ { v }_{ max } }^{ 2 }\\ =\frac { 1 }{ 2 } m{ (rω) }^{ 2 }\\ =\frac { 1 }{ 2 } mr^{ 2 }{ ω }^{ 2 }\\ { { KE }'_{ max } }=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } mr^{ 2 }{ (\sqrt { 2 } ω })^{ 2 }\\ =m{ r }^{ 2 }{ ω }^{ 2 }\\ =2{ KE }_{ max }
 

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By conservation of mechanical energy during SHM,

KE + PE = constant.

Total energy = constant = ½kA2

Where A is the amplitude, so option A should be correct.
 
rock.freak667 said:
By conservation of mechanical energy during SHM,

KE + PE = constant.

Total energy = constant = ½kA2

Where A is the amplitude, so option A should be correct.

Option A doesn't involve amplitudes though. You mean option B?
 
Okay, I understand now how I increasing the amplitude by √2 doubles total energy. However, it seems that increasing angular frequency by √2 also doubles total energy, so are both option A and option B correct?
 
yep. Nice work!

Edit: is the mark scheme saying that only B is correct? as you said, it looks like A and B are both true.
 
Arghh... I'm not sure how my physics professor missed that. Now I'm a little nervous that she might mark my correct answers as wrong for the final tomorrow.

Thanks for the help! :)
 
Turion said:
Okay, I understand now how I increasing the amplitude by √2 doubles total energy. However, it seems that increasing angular frequency by √2 also doubles total energy, so are both option A and option B correct?

I meant option B, sorry.

In your equations, you used v=rω which is for circular motion. Your motion happens to be a mass oscillation.
 
rock.freak667 said:
In your equations, you used v=rω which is for circular motion. Your motion happens to be a mass oscillation.

Oh, I see. This is my fault for plugging and chugging. I have to understand what the equations mean.

So I can only use v=rω for circular motion (i.e. two-dimensional oscillations) only? It doesn't apply to one-dimensional oscillations?
 
still, even for mass oscillation, the 'angular frequency' is defined by the equation:
\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}
Even though it is not related to a circular motion. So I think A and B should both be correct.

Edit: but yeah, as rockfreak says, it is not circular motion, so the calculation should be a bit different.
 
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Turion said:
So I can only use v=rω for circular motion (i.e. two-dimensional oscillations) only? It doesn't apply to one-dimensional oscillations?
yeah. After all, the velocity in one-dimensional SHM should be varying, right?
 
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BruceW said:
yeah. After all, the velocity in one-dimensional SHM should be varying, right?

Yes, it does vary. But what does that have to do with it?

30 seconds of thinking...

Oh wow! Brilliant!

So the equation v=rω makes use of the fact that the magnitude of velocity in circular motion stays constant!
 
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yes, for uniform circular motion.

edit: I mean yes, for uniform circular motion the magnitude of velocity is constant, so the angular frequency is constant. (i.e. a parameter of the system).
 
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