Dragging loop out of magnetic field (Finding Force)

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The problem involves a rectangular loop of wire being pulled out of a magnetic field, with specific dimensions and properties provided. The magnetic field strength and the resistance of the loop are given, and the task is to find the force required to pull the loop at a constant velocity while neglecting gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the induced current when the loop is pulled from the magnetic field and the magnetic force on the current-carrying wire. There is a focus on calculating the electromotive force (emf) and understanding the change in flux as the loop is moved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for emf and current, while others express uncertainty about specific values used in their calculations. There is a productive exchange regarding the change of area and flux, with one participant clarifying the approach to calculate the change in area submerged in the magnetic field over time.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential mistakes in their calculations and question the assumptions made regarding the setup of the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between velocity, area, and magnetic flux in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A single rectangular loop of wire with width w = 30.7 cm and length L = 79.7 cm is situated so that part is inside a region of uniform magnetic field of 0.407 T and part is outside the field. The total resistance of the loop is 0.244 Ω. Calculate the force F required to pull the loop from the field (to the right) at a constant velocity of 3.56 m/s. Neglect gravity.
HELP: What current is induced when the loop is pulled from the field? What is the magnetic force on the current-carrying wire of the loop?

https://wug-s.physics.uiuc.edu/cgi/courses/shell/common/showme.pl?cc/Knox/phys130a/spring/homework/15/02/HW16_5.jpg

Homework Equations


emf= -N(\DeltaBA/\Deltat)
I= emf/R
F= NILB


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the emf to be ..448 (-1(0-(.407x.3985x.309))/.1119=.448)
From there I found the current to be 1.836 A and using that I found the Force to be .298
(1.836x.3985x.407=.298)
This is incorrect and I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong. The use of the velocity throws me off and I have a feeling my mistake is coming from there.
 
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GDGirl said:

Homework Statement


A single rectangular loop of wire with width w = 30.7 cm and length L = 79.7 cm is situated so that part is inside a region of uniform magnetic field of 0.407 T and part is outside the field. The total resistance of the loop is 0.244 Ω. Calculate the force F required to pull the loop from the field (to the right) at a constant velocity of 3.56 m/s. Neglect gravity.
HELP: What current is induced when the loop is pulled from the field? What is the magnetic force on the current-carrying wire of the loop?

https://wug-s.physics.uiuc.edu/cgi/courses/shell/common/showme.pl?cc/Knox/phys130a/spring/homework/15/02/HW16_5.jpg

Homework Equations


emf= -N(\DeltaBA/\Deltat)
I= emf/R
F= NILB


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the emf to be ..448 (-1(0-(.407x.3985x.309))/.1119=.448)
.

I am not sure how you got the numbers 0.3985 and .309..

Here, for delta A/delta t you may use

\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t} = \frac{w \Delta L}{\Delta t} = v w

Then the change of flux is just B v w
 
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... .309 was supposed to be .307, so that's my mistake. And then.3985 was half of .797 for the length.
The change of flux is the top part of the equation for my emf, right? In which case, the time is still just 1, and that would be equal to my emf. If this is the case, I'm still getting the answer wrong.
But I think I'm just not understanding where the change of flux comes into play.
 
GDGirl said:
... .309 was supposed to be .307, so that's my mistake. And then.3985 was half of .797 for the length.
The change of flux is the top part of the equation for my emf, right? In which case, the time is still just 1, and that would be equal to my emf. If this is the case, I'm still getting the answer wrong.
But I think I'm just not understanding where the change of flux comes into play.

Ok, I see what you did.
The drawing seems to show the situation when half the loop is in the magnetic field, but we don't need to assume this to do the problem.

You can do it by looking at the loop at two different times. Then what you must do is to calculate the change of area of the part of the loop submerged in the magnetic field.

Let's consider the situation at some intitial time t_i and then one second later, ok?
In that one second, the loop has moved a distance

v t = 3.56 m/s \times 1 s = 3.56 m

so the part of the length submerged in the magnetic field has decreased by 3.56 m. Since w =0.307 m, the area submerged in the magnetic field has decreased by 3.56 m times w = 1.093 m^2. This is the change of area. Then multiply this by the B field to find the change of flux.
 
Oh, wow, that worked perfectly. Thanks a bunch!
 
GDGirl said:
Oh, wow, that worked perfectly. Thanks a bunch!

You are very welcome:smile:
 

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