Dumb question on attics and vents/airflow

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The discussion revolves around the functionality of attic vents, specifically how they allow air flow while preventing water intrusion during rain. Participants explore various types of vents, their designs, and their effectiveness in different scenarios, including residential building codes and potential issues with water and pest entry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how attic vents can allow air flow without letting water in during rain.
  • Another participant describes how attic vents are designed with louvers to inhibit rain while allowing air flow and keeping out pests.
  • Vertical vents are noted to commonly use pipes through the roof, which are protected by raised cones or caps to prevent rain intrusion.
  • Some participants mention that building codes often require insect screens behind louvers to prevent pests from entering the attic.
  • There is a discussion about the role of vertical pipes, with some asserting they are sewer vents and not related to attic ventilation.
  • One participant suggests that the design of vents can vary significantly, and pictures are helpful for understanding their function.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the effectiveness of vents can depend on the type of house and specific vent types used.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for rain-driven water penetration under certain conditions, despite the design of the vents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the function of vertical pipes, with some asserting they are sewer vents while others discuss their potential role in attic ventilation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature and function of these vents, as well as the effectiveness of various designs in preventing water intrusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the effectiveness of attic vents can depend on specific designs and local building codes, which may vary. There are also references to the need for proper calculations regarding vent surface area based on house design.

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I'm wondering if attics supposedly have air vents to let air flow in and out, how is it that these "holes" in the attic also don't let water come through during rain?
 
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Like these type of attic vents? Looks pretty rainproof to me...

https://www.gaf.com/-/media/hero/pr...hash=3AB0548E9D44315297DE8CDB6AC201C32CCBF9B5

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Vents in attic walls are protected by louvers; horizontal slats set at an angle to inhibit rain but allow air. Louvers also keep out larger pests such as rodents and birds.

Vertical vents commonly use pipes through the roof. The top of the pipe is protected by a raised cone or cap larger in diameter than the pipe. Rain splatters off the cone but air comes through the gap.

Any of these openings can be protected by a metal mesh, a screen that allows air flow but inhibits insects. Some attics have small screened windows perhaps with an overhang.

[Edit: 20200302: added cap to standing pipe.]
 
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Pictures are worth a thousand words.

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There are many more variants.

Edit: LOL @berkeman found the same picture as I did, but faster.
 
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anorlunda said:
Pictures are worth a thousand words.
[...]
There are many more variants.

True, but I love using words such as "louvers".:cool:
 
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Klystron said:
but I like your spinning cap shown in your first post.
You just gave me serious vertigo, and my stomach contents are now cleared. Thank you very much.

I think you meant to reference that *other* poster's reply about the spinning attic vent. I need to go lay down for a few minutes...

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Pics are very helpful.

I see more of the "vertical" vents in my neighborhood. Always wondered how they worked. Figured if you had a hole, "stuff" could come in (bugs or water). Thanks for the pics and explanations!
 
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kyphysics said:
Pics are very helpful.

I see more of the "vertical" vents in my neighborhood. Always wondered how they worked. Figured if you had a hole, "stuff" could come in (bugs or water). Thanks for the pics and explanations!
Most building codes require an insect screen behind the louvers and any other path into the attic.
With enough wind speed, rain-driven rain will penetrate the attic space.

Some industrial and properly designed louvers reduce that type of penetration very well.
Please, see:
https://www.archlouvers.com/How_Louvers_Work.htm

:cool:
 
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kyphysics said:
I'm wondering if attics supposedly have air vents to let air flow in and out, how is it that these "holes" in the attic also don't let water come through during rain?
Depending on type of house your talking about (gable/hip) there are 2 basic types of intake flow vents (gable vent / Soffit vent) respectively. House that have gables usual don’t have as many exhaust flow vents due to flow ability and how wind can drive thru attic. There is a specific formula based upon surface area of roof : area of house footprint that calculates needed intake surface area and proper exhaust flow depending on vent type. But as long as your shingles (laminated) don’t look like burnt toast intake/ exhaust ratio isn’t damaging shingles
 
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The vertical pipes sticking out the roof have nothing to do with ventilating the attic. They are sewer vents.
 
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If anything drains into the sewer vent is considered part of the drain waisted vent system and will be protected with a trap to prevent sewer gas from escaping. Whatever device that drains into the sewer vent happens to reside in an attic well then that is coincidence. The sewer vent is meant to vent the sewer system, not the fixture or appliance that happens to be hooked to it or space the said appliance resides in.
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Edit: I should be a little more careful with my wording. A vent pipe that is part of the main DWV system that runs from an individual sink for instance is said to vent the sink. But what it actually does is allow air to follow the drain water away from the sink. If this is not provided there is danger of the trap under the sink being drawn empty or close to empty which will low sewer gas into the room.
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So again, the vertical pipe pictured in post #6 is just a sewer vent and nothing else.
 
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If you post picture of exactly what you what identified I’ll answer with the exact answer 😂
Averagesupernova said:
The vertical pipes sticking out the roof have nothing to do with ventilating the attic. They are sewer vents.
or vent for a gas appliance,
vent-a-hood for stove top
Few others that off the top of my head escape me
 
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Rolacycle said:
If you post picture of exactly what you what identified I’ll answer with the exact answer
I referred to the pic in post #6. 'Nuf said I think.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
I referred to the pic in post #6. 'Nuf said I think.
Is that what he was referring to because that’s not clear from anything I read?

Or just what someone else posted picture of?

maybe Texas jack or a one way HE water heater? Or chimney even 😂
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Someone has deleted their post. I thought they were referring to the pipe in post #6. So, this is what my replies were aimed at. I have to assume who delete and dash poster was figured out they were wrong. Chicken way out if I've ever seen it.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
Someone has deleted their post. I thought they were referring to the pipe in post #6. So, this is what my replies were aimed at. I have to assume who delete and dash poster was figured out they were wrong. Chicken way out if I've ever seen it.
Ahhh👍🏻 well those are definitely pvc (1-1/2” ; 2” ; 3” ;4” etc.. ) vents that supply sewer drain air relief for anything that drains to city connected water supply in #6 comment 💯 right
 
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