Dynamic Fluid (airplane landing/decrease altitude)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces acting on an airplane during landing and descent, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure and velocity on the wings as described by Bernoulli's equation. Participants explore various conditions that must be met during these phases of flight.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that during landing, the condition P1>P2 and v1
  • Another participant counters that during landing, P1
  • It is noted that in a steady descent, the total net force is zero, with drag and lift opposing gravity, which is a critical aspect of the discussion.
  • Some participants clarify that in both steady climb and descent, lift is less than weight, and components of thrust or drag play roles in opposing gravity.
  • There is acknowledgment of the complexity in understanding these dynamics, with one participant expressing gratitude for the clarifications provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions of pressure and velocity during landing, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Bernoulli's equation and the forces acting on the airplane, but there are nuances in their interpretations that are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the conditions during landing and descent.

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Hi guys.. I've some discussion with my friend. We are teacher. So we must carefully to answer question for student.. there the question is

From figure below, p2 and p1 applied on plane's wings. When airplane landing/decrease altitude, which condition must occupied
A. P1=P2 and v1=v2
B. P1<P2 and v1>v2
C. P1<P2 and v1<v2
D. P1>P2 and v1>v2
E. P1>P2 and v1<v2
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On my opinion, at any rate we total force by bernoully equation must upright vertical oposite weight. Because, without Force of wings plane will fall. So, when take off/increase altitude F>w .. stay at certain height F=w.. and when landing F<w.. But F must remain positive. So P1>P2 and v1<v2 (E)

At opposite, my friend though that when take off P1>P2 and when landing P1<P2.

OK guys.. may you all give us your though.. thanks.. regrads
 
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Arif Setiawan said:
On my opinion, at any rate we total force by bernoully equation must upright vertical oposite weight. Because, without Force of wings plane will fall. So, when take off/increase altitude F>w .. stay at certain height F=w.. and when landing F<w.. But F must remain positive. So P1>P2 and v1<v2 (E)

At opposite, my friend though that when take off P1>P2 and when landing P1<P2.

OK guys.. may you all give us your though.. thanks.. regrads
You are correct: when decreasing in altitude, the wing is still producing positive lift...just less of it.
 
russ_watters said:
You are correct: when decreasing in altitude, the wing is still producing positive lift...just less of it.
In a steady descent, the total net force is zero (otherwise the aircraft would accelerate). A component of drag in addition to most of the lift opposes gravity. In a steady climb, lift is also less than the weight, and a component of thrust (in excess of drag) opposes gravity.
 
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rcgldr said:
In a stead descent, the total net force is zero (otherwise the aircraft would accelerate). A component of drag in addition to most of the lift opposes gravity. In a steady climb, lift is also less than the weight, and a component of thrust (in excess of drag) opposes gravity.
Thanks for the clarification. I did fall into a little trap there, though it doesn't impact the problem answer.
 
Arif Setiawan said:
So, when take off/increase altitude F>w .. stay at certain height F=w.. and when landing F<w ..
If the aircraft is not accelerating, then total net force = zero. In level flight, lift = weight (ignoring direction). In a steady climb or steady descent, lift < weight (ignoring direction). In a steady climb, a component of thrust (minus drag) opposes gravity. In a steady descent, a component of drag (minus thrust) opposes gravity.
 
That's the aspect that I haven't see before..
Thanks for these clear information
 

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