Dynamics: Get Help Solving Apogee-Perigee Satellite Orbit Problem

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the dynamics of a satellite in an elliptical orbit around the Earth. Participants are exploring the relationships between the velocities at apogee and perigee, the distances from the Earth's center, and the energy required to launch the satellite from the Earth's surface.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster presents a problem statement and equations related to the conservation of momentum and energy, expressing uncertainty about how to eliminate variables.
  • One participant questions the absence of the Earth's radius in the initial equations, suggesting it is a necessary component for solving the problem.
  • The original poster acknowledges the suggestion but expresses confusion about how the Earth's radius would help eliminate variables, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • A link to a resource is provided, which may contain additional context or a diagram relevant to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to incorporate the Earth's radius into the equations or how it affects the variables involved in the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to eliminate variables.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the application of the Earth's radius in the equations, and the relationship between the distances and velocities at apogee and perigee is not fully clarified. The final answer is mentioned but not derived within the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A Satellite is to be placed in an elliptic orbit about the earth. Knowing that the ration Va/Vp of the velocity at the apogee A to the velocity at perigee P is equal to the ration Rp/Ra of the distance to the center of the Earth at P to that at A, and the distance between A and P is 80,000 km, determine the energy per unit mass required to place the satellite in its orbit by launching it from the surface of the earth.

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Va v-----Ra---------O----Rp----^ Vp

|---------80,000km---------|

Homework Equations


Conservation of Momentum: T1 + V1 = T2 + V2
T = .5mv^2
V = - GMm/r


The Attempt at a Solution


Va/Vp = Rp/Ra
Ra = 80,000 - Rp
E = T + V
E = 0.5mv^2 - GMm/r
E/m = .5v^2 - GM/r

I'm not sure where to go next. I know the final answer is 57.5 MJ/kg. How are all the 'r's and 'v's eliminated by just using the ratio? I'm generally able to solve these questions, but I've been working on this one for hours with no luck. Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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Hi kaos4! :smile:

It's launched from the surface of the Earth …

so where is the Earths's radius in your equations? :wink:
 
hmm..I considered that. That would give me GM, but still Ra and Rb would be unknown. Unless I am missing something, but the Earth's radius would just add another number, not eliminate any variable (Earths radius is a part of Ra and Rb). Thanks for the advice though, I will try and see how else I can apply the Earth's radius.
 

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