[EE - Signals] Verify my unit-step work

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The discussion revolves around verifying the participant's work on unit-step functions and their graphical representations in signal processing. It includes homework problems involving unit step functions and impulse functions, with participants sharing their sketches and seeking feedback on their approaches and solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two examples involving unit step functions and requests feedback on their sketches and calculations.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of one part of the work but questions the sketch of the second example, suggesting it should reflect a different function.
  • There is a discussion about the correct starting point and slope for the graphs, with some participants correcting each other's interpretations of the unit step function's behavior.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about applying a rule related to the delta function in their examples and seeks clarification on their application.
  • Another participant shares a new problem involving discrete time signals and asks for verification of their understanding and methodology.
  • Responses indicate that the summation for the discrete signal is correct, affirming the participant's understanding of the concept.
  • A later participant questions the methodology used for impulse functions and unit step functions, seeking alternative approaches to their graphical representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally engage in a collaborative verification process, with some areas of agreement on specific calculations and sketches, while other aspects remain contested or unclear, particularly regarding the correct interpretation of certain functions and their graphical representations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the unit step and impulse functions, indicating that their conclusions are based on their current level of knowledge and may not reflect established methods.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about unit step functions and impulse functions in signal processing, as well as those seeking peer feedback on their homework and understanding of related concepts.

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Homework Statement



For the top example: [tex]x(t) = u(t+1) - 2u(t-1) + u(t-3)[/tex]

For the bottom example: [tex]x(t) = (t+1)*u(t-1) - t*u(t) - u(t-2)[/tex]

The example asked for a sketch, so sorry if my drawings aren't to scale.

Homework Equations



Unit step: [tex]u(t-t_0)[/tex]...

* if [tex]t_0[/tex] is positive, there will be a shift to the RIGHT, which indicates a delay.
* if [tex]t_0[/tex] is negative, there will be a shift to the LEFT, which indicates an advance of the signal.
* if [tex]t_0[/tex] is zero, therefore having just [tex]u(t)[/tex], there is no advance or delay.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my attached work. I drew a graph for each term (for both problems), then combined them if it was either addition or subtraction. I split the graphs into sections, where I thought it would be appropriate. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

The image is kind of long, sorry :(

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4845/pg1aj0.png
 
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4a is correct.

In 4b, look at (t+1)*u(t-1). The sketch is t*u(t-1).
 
Astronuc said:
In 4b, look at (t+1)*u(t-1). The sketch is t*u(t-1).

For the first one in 4b, I have the delay in there and then I start at y = 1, going up by 1/1 for the slope. Isn't that correct?
 
user101 said:
For the first one in 4b, I have the delay in there and then I start at y = 1, going up by 1/1 for the slope. Isn't that correct?

It should start at y = 2...

But your final answer looks right.
 
Woops! My mistake guys, I got it :)

for my final answer, the -t slope right after the y axis, is that correct? 0 - t - 0 = -t slope.
 
user101 said:
Woops! My mistake guys, I got it :)

for my final answer, the -t slope right after the y axis, is that correct? 0 - t - 0 = -t slope.

Yes, that's right. At t = 1, y jumps from -1 to 1... then from t = 1 to t= 2, y=1. Then from t=2 onwards y = 0... everything looks good.
 
Hi - just a quick question, is my explanation sufficient. My professor told me to keep it as simple as possible:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1512/picture2nv2.jpg
 
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Keep in mind

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\,\delta(t-T)f(t)\,dt\,=\,f(T)[/tex] or f(-T) if the argument of the delta function is t+T.
 
Astronuc said:
Keep in mind

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\,\delta(t-T)f(t)\,dt\,=\,f(T)[/tex] or f(-T) if the argument of the delta function is t+T.

Right, I tried to go by that rule. Did I do something wrong when applying it to my examples?
 
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The answers are correct, and you're logic is correct.
 
  • #11
Ok, great thanks!
 
  • #12
Ook, if I have a discrete time signal, I'm assuming I do the same thing? Here is the question:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/493/picture2ot4.jpg

n = -5, so the summation is equal to 0 since it is not within the proper bounds of 4 <-> 10.The reason I'm asking for verification is because I haven't learned this yet, so I'm learning on my own accord. The feedback I get tells me whether or not I learned it properly! =D
 
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  • #13
Yes, that's right. The summation is 0.

delta[n+5] = 0 for all numbers except n = -5, when it equals 1.
 
  • #14
Hi, I have a new one that I'm having trouble with. My friend got something totally different than what I did. Is this even remotely close? My final answer is the very bottom one.

Basically what I did was for the impulse functions, they are only true at a certain location and the last two ones, the unit step ones, are like any other unit steps graphs, only with discrete values. I'm pretty sure the unit step discrete ones are correct, but is my overall methodology correct?

Also, is there any other way of doing this quicker, instead of drawing each one out?

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6868/picture1xc8.jpg
 
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  • #15
Nvm, I figured it out.
 

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