Elastic collisions formula help

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The discussion focuses on deriving the formulas for final velocities in elastic collisions, specifically V_B and V_A, based on initial velocities and masses. The formulas are derived from the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations. Participants express confusion about the algebraic steps needed to arrive at these equations. The conversation emphasizes that only kinetic energy is considered, with no potential energy involved. The thread highlights the complexity of solving simultaneous equations in this context.
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Homework Statement



After some messey algebra it can be said that

V_B = (2 m_A V_o_A)/(m_A + m_B)

V_A = ( (M_A - M_B ) V_o_A )/(M_A + M_B)

were did this come from?

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I don't even know were to start
 
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were _B indicates a quantity realtive to B
and _A indicates a quantity realitve to A

and V_o is the intial velocity
 


That's for elastic collisions. It comes from solving the conservation of momentum and conservation of energy equations simultaneously.
 


ummm... hmm

ok... um so there is just kinetic energy? no potential and you had to solve for the velocities becasue these are the only terms the same in momentum and kinetic energy so... let's see.. um..
 


ok then

m_A V_o_A + m_B V_o_B = m_A V_A + m_B V_B

.5 m_A V_o_A^2 + .5 m_B V_o_B^2 = .5 m_A V_A^2 + .5 m_B V_B^2
 
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Yes. Now bring the terms that start with "m_A" to the left in both equations, bring the terms that start with "m_B" to the right in both equations, and see what you get.
 


oh ok hold up
 


m_A V_o_A + m_B V_o_B = m_A V_A + m_B V_B
m_A V_o_A - m_A V_A = m_B V_B - m_B V_o_B
m_A(V_o_A - V_A) = m_B (V_B - V_o_B )


.5 m_A V_o_A^2 + .5 m_B V_o_B^2 = .5 m_A V_A^2 + .5 m_B V_B^2
.5 m_A V_o_A^2 - .5 m_A V_A^2 = .5 m_B V_B^2 - .5 m_B V_o_B^2
.5 m_A (V_o_A^2 - V_A^2) = .5 m_B (V_B^2 - V_o_B^2)
 


i'm not really sure were this problem is going
 
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