Electric Charge vs Mass in Gauge Bosons

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The discussion revolves around the properties of gauge bosons in the context of electromagnetic, strong, and weak interactions, specifically focusing on their electric charge and mass. Participants explore the implications of these characteristics within the framework of gauge theories and electroweak theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the significance of massless gauge bosons with no electric charge in electromagnetic and strong interactions compared to the massive, charged gauge bosons in weak interactions.
  • Others argue that the weak interaction's gauge bosons are a result of electroweak symmetry breaking, which leads to some bosons being charged and others being neutral.
  • A participant mentions that the weak interaction is associated with gauging the global SU(2) × U(1) symmetry, leading to three massless gauge fields and two massive charged gauge bosons.
  • There is a contention regarding the number of gauge bosons, with some asserting there are three while others suggest there are four due to the inclusion of the Z boson.
  • Questions arise about the relationship between reality and charge, with discussions on whether real fields must be chargeless.
  • Some participants assert that the electric charge corresponds to the Noether number associated with global U(1) symmetry, which vanishes for real fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gauge boson properties, the number of gauge bosons, and the relationship between charge and reality. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various gauge theories and symmetry principles, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and implications of these theories. The discussion includes complex relationships that are not fully clarified.

Islam Hassan
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Is there any significance to the fact that:
  • The electromagnetic and strong interactions have gauge bosons with no electric charge that are massless; and
  • The weak interaction has two massive gauge bosons which do have electric charge.
If there is a significance to this 'observation' then where does the Z0 gauge boson fit in?IH
 
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Islam Hassan said:
Is there any significance to the fact that:
  • The electromagnetic and strong interactions have gauge bosons with no electric charge that are massless; and
  • The weak interaction has two massive gauge bosons which do have electric charge.
If there is a significance to this 'observation' then where does the Z0 gauge boson fit in?

IH

Do you mean why would *weak* gauge bosons have *electric* charge? Sure, there is a good reason; it is because the weak and electromagnetic interaction are unified in electroweak theory.

In pure unbroken gauge theories, all the gauge bosons are only charged under whatever gauge group it is which generates them (except for U(1) gauge bosons), and they are all massless. So gluons have no weak or electric charge because QCD is essentially completely separate to electroweak theory. The same logic doesn't apply to the electroweak sector because of electroweak symmetry breaking, and it is the particular way in which it is broken which leaves you with some neutral and some charged electroweak gauge bosons, and also generates masses for some of them.
 
Islam Hassan said:
Is there any significance to the fact that:
The electromagnetic and strong interactions have gauge bosons with no electric charge that are massless; and

It simply means that the [itex]U_{em}(1)[/itex] and [itex]SU_{c}(3)[/itex] gauge fields are REAL fields.

The weak interaction has two massive gauge bosons which do have electric charge. If there is a significance to this 'observation' then where does the Z0 gauge boson fit in?
Weak interaction is the result of gauging the global [itex]SU(2)\times U(1)[/itex] symmetry. The GAUGE group [itex]SU(2)[/itex] has 3 REAL MASSLESS gauge FIELDS [itex]W^{ i }_{ \mu }[/itex], [itex]i = 1, 2 , 3[/itex]. Therefore, they have no em charge. The corresponding MASIVE and CHARGED gauge BOSONS (don't confuse them with gauge fields) of the weak interaction are the following combinations
[tex]W^{\pm}_{ \mu } = \frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{ 2 } } ( W^{1}_{ \mu } \mp i W^{ 2 }_{ \mu } )[/tex]
These are charged because they are complex fields, i.e. they admit a GLOBAL [itex]U(1)[/itex] symmetry. The 3rd gauge BOSON has no charge because it is given by the follwing REAL combination
[tex]Z^{0}_{ \mu } = W^{ 3 }_{ \mu } \sin \theta - B_{ \mu } \cos \theta ,[/tex]
where [itex]B_{ \mu }[/itex] is a MASSLESS REAL [itex]U(1)[/itex] gauge FIELD.

Sam
 
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Doug Huffman said:
The weak interaction does have two gauge bosons
No, there are 3 of them. There are, always, as many gague fields as there are generators of the gauge group.
they are the W and the Z, each with two charges W e+/-1 and Z e0/+1
This make them 4?
breaking chiral symmetry.
Which chiral symmetry?
 
:s How is reality connected with charge?
Because of the complex conjugation?
 
ChrisVer said:
:s How is reality connected with charge?
Because of the complex conjugation?

I don't understand the question...
 
kurros said:
I don't understand the question...

Is it a "must" for a real field to be chargeless? For scalars that's obvious...
 
ChrisVer said:
Is it a "must" for a real field to be chargeless? For scalars that's obvious...
Yes. The electric charge IS the Noether number associated with the GLOBAL [itex]U(1)[/itex] symmetry. This vanishes for REAL FIELDS.
 

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