Electric field and electromagnetic waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electric fields and electromagnetic waves, particularly focusing on the behavior of electric fields generated by accelerating charges. Participants explore the applicability of Coulomb's law to moving charges and the conditions under which electromagnetic waves are produced.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an electromagnetic wave exists at a point only if there is a nonlinear change in the electric field over time, questioning the implications of different rates of change at two points in space.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the type of charge being accelerated and the specifics of the plotted graph, indicating a need for more context.
  • A participant clarifies that they are referring to a point charge and describes the graph as nonlinear, implying a more complex relationship than a simple linear function.
  • It is pointed out that Coulomb's law is only valid for static charges, and for moving charges, the Liénard–Wiechert potentials should be considered.
  • One participant challenges the restriction of Coulomb's law, arguing that the distance can be a function of time and that they derived the electric field correctly with respect to time.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while a moving charge creates a magnetic field and current, it does not produce waves according to Coulomb's law, suggesting a need to refer to Maxwell's equations for a complete understanding.
  • A question is raised about the behavior of the electric field's magnitude at two points just before and after a wave passes through them.
  • It is stated that a wave is produced only by an accelerating charge, and that a constant moving charge does not generate a wave, with a reference to the limitations of Coulomb's law regarding information propagation speed.
  • A resource is shared that illustrates electric field lines, although it is noted that it does not directly show electric field amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Coulomb's law to moving charges and the conditions necessary for electromagnetic waves to form. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of electric fields in relation to accelerating charges and the validity of Coulomb's law in dynamic scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the charge and the conditions under which Coulomb's law is applied. The dependence on definitions of terms such as "nonlinear" and "wave" is also noted, as well as the unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the electric field from moving charges.

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(sorry for my poor english) I've read that a electromagnetic wave only exists in a particular point of space if in such a point there is a nonlinear change of the electric field in respect to time. Then I took a graph calculator and I derived Coulombs equation for the electric field. The results are shown below.
What surprised me was that when the charge is accelerating, the curve of the rate of change of the field in two points on the same horizontal axis has different forms (maximum points are different). Has it anything to do with the statement I mentioned above? Also, even so I don't know why would it be a wave if these two points has different rate of change at the same time.

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Start from the beginning. What kind of charge are you accelerating? (a point charge?) What is the path of the charge?
What are you plotting? What are the x and y axes on your plot, and what is point 1 and point 2?
What do you mean by nonlinear?
 
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Yes. It's a point charge. By nonlinear I mean a plotted graph E x t where the function isn't a line.
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But why I can't use Coulomb's law if the distance is a function of time and I properly derived the field in respect to time?
 
Because Coulomb's law is only valid for static charges. For slow moving charges (compared to the speed of light), it can be fairly accurate, but you can't get waves from Coulomb's law. A moving charge will create a current and a magnetic field. Have a look at Maxwell's equations. If you are in self study, be patient, because normally students learn electrostatics, and then magnetostatics, before learning electrodynamics.
 
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Ok. What must happen with the magnitude of the electric field in those two points of my example right before and after a wave passing through them?
 
You only get a wave when you have an accelerating charge. The constant moving charge will have a field, but it won't be a wave.
According to special relativity, no information can travel faster than the speed of light. That means if you accelerate a charge, it will take some time (distance divided by c) before the field is affected at some distant point. Coulomb's law doesn't take this into account.
This might be useful
https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/legacy/radiating-charge
But it shows the electric field lines, not the electric field amplitude. You can estimate the amplitude by looking at how close together the lines are.
 
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