Electric Field and Infinite Plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving electric fields generated by an infinite charged plane and the forces acting on a point charge suspended by a string. The original poster attempts to calculate the electric field and the resulting forces, leading to the determination of an angle related to the tension in the string.

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  • Participants explore the calculations related to electric fields and forces, questioning the consistency of units and the relevance of given parameters like the length of the string. There are discussions on whether the approach taken by the original poster is correct and if any assumptions need to be revisited.

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Some participants have provided guidance on unit consistency and have expressed uncertainty about the correctness of the original poster's calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with no explicit consensus on the solution or the correctness of the approach.

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Participants note the potential confusion caused by the use of different unit systems (SI vs. CGS) and the ambiguity surrounding the relevance of certain given values in the problem.

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Hi,

I've worked out a problem and don't understand why it's wrong... I think I might be going about this incorrectly.

Here it is:

http://www.synthdriven.com/images/deletable/01.jpg

I started this by attempting to solve for E. In the beginning of the problem, I'm told that this is an infinite plate, "a uniformly charged vertical sheet of infinite extent", and have determined the following formula:

[tex]\vec{E}=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_{o}}[/tex]
(This is what was derived in class for an infinite surface, I can go over that if anyone would like... sigma=Q/A)

I'm taking the "areal charge density" to be sigma.[tex]\vec{E}=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_{o}}=\frac{0.12\times10^{-6}}{2(8.85\times10^{-12})}=6779.66N/C[/tex]

Using the following formula, I determined the force, (where q is my given point charge):

[tex]F=E\timesq=(6779.66)(0.11\times10^{-6})=0.000746N[/tex]

http://www.synthdriven.com/images/deletable/02.jpg

According to my little force diagram, this F is equivalent to my x-component of the force labelled F. And the y-component of this force is zero...

The next force is the weight, mg. I wasn't sure whether or not to do this in grams or kilograms, so I kept it at grams (my professor converted from kg to g in a previous example in class... even though some problems are typically answered in kg)

[tex]W=mg=(1g)(9.8m/s^2)=9.8N[/tex]

This force will be only in the -y direction, obviously.

And the tension, T is as follows:

[tex]T_{x}=T\sin{\theta}[/tex]
[tex]T_{y}=T\cos{\theta}[/tex]

[tex]\sum{F_{NETx}}=F_{x}+W_{x}-T_{x}=0.00076N+0N-T\sin{\theta}=0[/tex]
[tex]T\sin{\theta}=0.00076N[/tex]
[tex]T=\frac{0.00076N}{\sin{\theta}}[/tex]

[tex]\sum{F_{NETy}}=F_{y}-W_{y}+T_{y}=0-9.8N+T\cos{\theta}=0[/tex]
[tex]T\cos{\theta}=9.8N[/tex]
[tex]T=\frac{9.8N}{\cos{\theta}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{0.00076N}{\sin{\theta}}=\frac{9.8N}{\cos{\theta}}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\sin{\theta}}{\cos{\theta}}=\frac{0.00076}{9.8}[/tex]
[tex]\tan{\theta}=\frac{0.00076}{9.8}[/tex]
[tex]\arctan{\frac{0.00076}{9.8}}=\theta[/tex]
[tex]=0.004443[/tex] degreesWhat am I doing wrong? This seemed like the right way to go about it...
 
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Your units have to be consistent. Since you are using S.I., the unit of mass is Kg, and therefore the mass of the object is 10-3Kg.

Remember this, the S.I units are also known as the MKS system (Metre, Kilogram, Second). The cgs stands for (Centimetre, Gram, Second).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mks
 
Thanks.

That'd make my answer 4.3447 degrees... And yet my answer is still incorrect... Any ideas?
 
I cannot spot anything wrong in your calculation. I wonder why the length of the string has been provided (probably just to make you go off-track).
 
Yeah... That's what I was thinking. But who knows. I could actually have to use it somehow.

Seems like a way to make you waste your time realizing that you don't have enough information to find the angle trigometrically w/out physics.
 
Yes, I got the same answer too. What's the answer in your textbook ?
 
It's an online homework service. I have a couple of chances at an answer... So I don't know what the answer is.
 
Well, was any option close to the answer at least ?
 
Nope. I have no idea what it is. This method seems correct.
 
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May be (some of) the numbers you have are wrong. For example, that 0.00076 should be 0.000745/6. Just make sure that the numbers are correct to a few decimal places and submit an answer. Either that, or the online service has totally gone berserk. ;)
 

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