Electric Field & Motion: Understanding Why it Doesn't Change

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The discussion centers on the transformation of electric fields in different reference frames, particularly focusing on the effects of motion on electric fields generated by charged particles. Participants explore theoretical concepts related to electromagnetism, including Lorentz transformations, charge density, and the behavior of electric fields in moving frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the use of the gamma factor in transforming electric fields from a charge's rest frame to a lab frame, noting that it affects the perpendicular component of the electric field but questioning its effect on the parallel component.
  • One participant suggests that if length contraction and charge conservation are considered, there would be a higher density of charges along the direction of motion, potentially increasing the electric field due to superposition.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider the full electromagnetic field as a rank two antisymmetric tensor and the importance of understanding its transformation properties, rather than relying solely on the electric field.
  • A later reply points out the distinction between analyzing a single charged particle and a collection of charged particles, particularly in the context of a long straight wire.
  • One participant references a parallel plate capacitor to illustrate how electric fields transform, discussing the application of Gauss's law and the implications of charge density remaining constant during motion.
  • Another participant introduces the retarded potential approach as an alternative method for computing electric fields in moving frames, highlighting its advantages in demonstrating the relationship between electric and magnetic fields across different frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the transformation of electric fields, particularly regarding the effects of motion on parallel and perpendicular components. There is no consensus on the implications of charge density changes or the best approach to understanding these transformations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include assumptions about charge distributions, the dependence on specific configurations (e.g., parallel plate capacitors vs. point charges), and unresolved mathematical steps related to the transformation of electric fields.

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I understand from my classes that, when looking to calculate the electric field of a charge we can use the electric field measured in its rest frame to find its electric field in the lab frame (where the charge is moving). The gamma factor changes the value for the component electric field if it is perpendicular to the direction of the charge's motion.

I don't understand why it is not also for the parallel part: if length contraction and charge conservation are at play, then in the lab's frame, there would be "more" charges per metre along the axis where the charges is moving?

And so the electric field increases by superposition of "extra" electric fields? And how does is discriminate between the direction of motion and the direction perpendicular?

Thanks for reading!
 
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You cannot just look at the electric field and make conclusions based on that. The full electromagnetic field behaves as a rank two antisymmetric tensor under Lorentz transformations and its source is a 4-vector and not a scalar. In order to properly understand how it transforms, you must take these things into account.
 
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Orodruin said:
You cannot just look at the electric field and make conclusions based on that. The full electromagnetic field behaves as a rank two antisymmetric tensor under Lorentz transformations and its source is a 4-vector and not a scalar. In order to properly understand how it transforms, you must take these things into account.

I see. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction to understanding this!
 
Clueless said:
I understand from my classes that, when looking to calculate the electric field of a charge we can use the electric field measured in its rest frame to find its electric field in the lab frame (where the charge is moving). The gamma factor changes the value for the component electric field if it is perpendicular to the direction of the charge's motion.

I don't understand why it is not also for the parallel part: if length contraction and charge conservation are at play, then in the lab's frame, there would be "more" charges per metre along the axis where the charges is moving?

In the first paragraph you look at a single charged particle, but then in the second paragraph you switch to a collection of charged particles.

And so the electric field increases by superposition of "extra" electric fields? And how does is discriminate between the direction of motion and the direction perpendicular?

It depends on the charge distribution. If you are modelling a long straight wire you have an essentially infinite number of charged particles moving in the direction of motion, not so in the transverse direction..
 
http://web.mit.edu/sahughes/www/8.022/lec12.pdf has the argument I usually see, but it's not as detailed as I'd like. I suspect a missing piece of the argument was covered in a previous section.

The first idea is that you can find out how the electric field transforms by considering a parallel plate capacitor in motion - i.e. figuring out how the electric field in this example shows you how it transforms in general.

The second idea is that you use Gauss's law, and find that the integral of the electric field normal to a boundary is equal to the enclosed charge. Making the boundary in question a cube around one of the plates, and knowing that the electric field is nonzero only between the plates and is perpendicular to the plates (ignoring edge effects) then gives you the needed diagram. For a parallel plate capacitor, this analysis gives you that the electric field is proportional to the charge density.

The third idea is that the charge density doesn't change when you boost the capacitor in the direction normal to the plates. Then, since the charge density doesn't change, the electric field doesn't change either.

An alternative idea that may be more advanced is to use the idea of the retarded potential to compute the electric field in a moving frame (such as Jeffminko's equations, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jefimenko's_equations&oldid=695260811). But I usually see the parallel plate capacitor approach in introductory E&M texts.

The advantage of the retarded potential approach (Jeffminko's equations) is that (carried out properly) it demonstrates that you CAN find the electric field in any frame knowing only the electric and magnetic field in one frame. This is not particularly obvious, but is vital to the tensor approach. It shows that you only need to solve the problem once in any frame you like, and gives you a recipie to transform this solution to any other frame you desire.
 
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