Electric field of single photon in a cavity

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The discussion revolves around estimating the electric field magnitude associated with a single blue photon in a 10-micrometer cavity. The energy stored in the electric field is stated to be half of the photon energy, leading to the derived electric field strength of approximately 9974.8 V/m. This is compared to the electric field experienced by an orbiting electron in a hydrogen atom, calculated to be around 5.13x10^11 V/m. A relationship is established indicating that the cavity size must shrink to about 3 micrometers for the electric field to match that of the hydrogen atom. The derivation is confirmed to be correct, though some participants note potential oversimplifications in the approach.
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Homework Statement



Assume that there is a single blue photon in a cavity of the size of 10
micrometers. The total energy of oscillating electric fields due to this photon is
one half of the photon energy.
A. Estimate the magnitude of the electric fields associated with this single
photon. Compare your result to the typical electrical field experienced by an
orbiting electron in a hydrogen atom.
B. At what cavity size does the electrical field in the cavity become compa-
rable to that in a hydrogen atom?



Homework Equations



Energy of a photon U = h\nu

Energy stored in electric field E in volume V: U = \frac{V}{2}\epsilon_{0}E^{2}



The Attempt at a Solution



So I just need to check this over because something doesn't seem right.

If we equate the energy of a photon with the classical energy of an EM wave we get:

U = \frac{V}{2}\epsilon_{0}E^{2} + \frac{V}{2}\mu_{0}H^{2}

However, the question states that the energy stored in the electric field is equal to half the photon energy. I.e:

\frac{V}{2}\epsilon_{0}E^{2} = \frac{h\nu}{2} = \frac{hc}{2\lambda}

This makes sense as you;d expect the energy of a photon/EM wave to be divided equally between it's electric and magnetic components.

Solving the above equality for the electric field strength E gives:

E = \sqrt{\frac{2hc}{\epsilon_{0}\lambda L^{3}}}

Where we've assumed the box is cubic. Plugging in L = 10um and taking 450 nm to be the wavelength of a blue photon gives the answer: 9974.8 V/m for the electric field.

As an approximation we take a classical estimate of the electric field of the hydrogen atom, using Coulombs law with the Bohr radius of 0.53 A. This gives an electric field of 5.13x10^11 V/m. Which strikes me as a bit large.

The difference between these electric fields is 2x10^8. Keeping everything else constant that means that

\frac{1}{L^{3/2}} = 2x10^{8}

Which means the size of the cavity has to shrink down to 3 um? Which seems a bit small but the relationship is cubic.


Does this make sense. It seems a little off, maybe too simplistic an approach.
 
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Beer-monster said:
However, the question states that the energy stored in the electric field is equal to half the photon energy. I.e:

\frac{V}{2}\epsilon_{0}E^{2} = \frac{h\nu}{2} = \frac{hc}{2\lambda}Solving the above equality for the electric field strength E gives:

E = \sqrt{\frac{2hc}{\epsilon_{0}\lambda L^{3}}}
The factor 2 should not be there.
Beer-monster said:
As an approximation we take a classical estimate of the electric field of the hydrogen atom, using Coulombs law with the Bohr radius of 0.53 A. This gives an electric field of 5.13x10^{11} V/m. Which strikes me as a bit large.

It is right.

Beer-monster said:
The difference between these electric fields is 2x10^8.

You meant the ratio instead of difference did you not?

Beer-monster said:
Keeping everything else constant that means that

\frac{1}{L^{3/2}} = 2x10^{8}

The ratio can not be equal to length on some power. Write the equation for the ratio of the lengths.

Anyway, your derivation is correct up to this last stage, good work!

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