Electric field on a piece of wire

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The problem involves calculating the electric field produced by a charged wire segment along the x-axis at a point above it in the y-direction. The original poster presents an expression for the electric field's magnitude and seeks clarification on their approach and assumptions regarding the sine function in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the electric field using trigonometric relationships and integrals, questioning the treatment of the sine cubed term in their final expression. Some participants discuss the validity of ignoring the sine cubed term due to its relative size compared to sine of theta. Others suggest a different variable, theta, for clarity in the calculations and point out an error in the differential expression used by the original poster.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and pointing out potential errors. There is a mix of suggestions regarding variable choice and the treatment of terms in the equations, indicating a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the behavior of trigonometric functions in the context of small angles and the implications of using different variables in their calculations. The original poster's approach is subject to scrutiny regarding the accuracy of their differential expressions.

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Homework Statement


A thin piece of wire, with charge per unit length \lambda lies on the x-axis and extends from x=-L/2 to x=+L/2 so that it has a length L. Show that the electric field (at the point (x,y) = (0,D)) in the +y-direction has magnitude given by 2\frac{\lambda k_{e}}{D}\sin(\theta_{0}).
The file attached below is to show where theta is pulled from.

Homework Equations



d\mathbf{E}=k_{e}\frac{dq}{r^2}\mathbf{\hat{r}}

The Attempt at a Solution


Here is what I managed to boil up
First let
\theta+\phi=\frac{\pi}{2}
then
r=\frac{D}{\sin(\phi)}
dq=\lambda dx = -\lambda D d\phi
\hat{r}=\left(\begin{array}{cc}\cos(\phi)\\\sin(\phi)\end{array}\right)
\int dE_{y}=-\frac{\lambda k_{e}}{D}\int_{\phi_{0}+\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\theta_{0}-\frac{\pi}{2}}\sin^3(\theta)d\theta
Finally
E_{y}=\frac{\lambda k_{e}}{D}(2\sin(\theta_{0})-\frac{2}{3}\sin^3(\theta_{0}))
Did I do something wrong or did they assume that the sin cubed term is small and hence got rid of it?

Thanks,
 

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As sin(\theta_{0}) is less than 1, sin^3(\theta_{0}) is a lot smaller than sin(\theta_{0}) so can basically be ignored I believe. So yes you were right.
 
I think using \theta will avoid some mistakes that using \phi may make.

vladimir69 said:

dq=\lambda dx = -\lambda D d\phi


It's wrong.
You may find it simple if using this: x=Dtan\theta :wink:
 
Ahh damn, that was careless.

I used \phi because it helps with getting the right direction for the unit vector, but screwed up the differential unfortunately. (actually I did a similar error the second time aswell)

Thanks for the help.
 

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