Electric & Magnetic Fields in EM Waves: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of why electric and magnetic fields in an electromagnetic wave are in phase, exploring theoretical explanations and implications in different media. Participants examine the relationship between these fields as described by electromagnetic theory, including Maxwell's equations and relevant laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an explanation of why electric and magnetic fields in an electromagnetic wave are in phase.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship is due to the proportionality of the electric field to the rate of change of the magnetic field and vice versa, but expresses uncertainty about this explanation.
  • A different participant connects the phenomenon to Faraday's Law and Ampere's Law, indicating a desire for a more thorough response from someone with deeper knowledge.
  • One participant argues that electric and magnetic fields are not always in phase, noting that they are in phase only when there is no net free charge flow in the medium, such as in dielectrics or vacuum. They mention that in conductors, the fields may not remain in phase due to attenuation.
  • Another participant reiterates the question about the phase relationship in free space and suggests looking at the wave equation solutions derived from Maxwell's equations for justification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which electric and magnetic fields are in phase, with some asserting that this is true in free space while others highlight the influence of material properties and charge flow on this relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms and conditions affecting the phase relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of electric and magnetic fields can depend on the medium's properties, such as conductivity and frequency, which introduces complexity in understanding their phase relationship.

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Why are electric and magnetic fields in an electromagnetic wave in phase? Can somebody please explain that?
 
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I'd imagine it has to do with the fact that the electric field created is directly proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic field, and the magnetic created is directly proportional to the rate of change of the electric field, but I feel this is a very hand-wavy answer, and I await a more knowledgeable person to provide a more thorough answer.
 
I think that it has got something to do with Faraday's Law and Ampere's law. But as you said, let's wait for somebody to give a robust answer.
 
In general E and B field are not always in phase. They are in phase if there's no net free charge flow in the medium through which the wave propagates, example of such media are dielectric and vacuum (this one not really a medium though). If there is free charge fluctuation such as in conductors the wavevector wouldn't be real anymore (more precisely there is attenuation to the field) and magnetic and electric fields wouldn't be in phase.

Actually the response of material depends on the incoming field frequency, the determining quantity is σ/(εω) where σ, ε, and ω are conductivity, permittivity, and frequency respectively. The bigger that quantity the closer the material to behave as a conductor. For example water can behave as a conductor within certain frequency region.
 
Samujawal said:
Why are electric and magnetic fields in an electromagnetic wave in phase? Can somebody please explain that?

For a wave in free space, they are in phase, You can justify that by looking at the solution to the wave equation, starting with Maxwells equations. See this link.
 

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