Electric Potential and Kinematics

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial potential energy of an electron placed on the surface of a uniformly charged insulated sphere and its velocity when it reaches the center. The potential energy is derived using the formula U = -eV_R, where V_R is calculated from the electric field using integration. The challenge arises in determining the final potential energy at the center of the sphere, with participants suggesting the use of Gauss's law to find the electric field inside the sphere. The conversation highlights confusion regarding the potential at the center and the implications of division by zero in the calculations. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need for careful application of electric field concepts and integration techniques to solve the problem correctly.
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Hi, I'm currently doing a practice problem and I need help in solving it.

Ok first the problem:

An insulated sphere of radius R is charged unformly with the total charge +Q. Since the electric field is outwards, an electron of charge -e (insulated, so that it won't disappear while traveling iside the charged sphere) placed at the surface will be pull toward the center of the sphere.
  • What is the initial potential energy of the electron (relative to a point at infinity in terms of Q and R)?
  • Calculate the velocity of the electron (also in terms of Q and R) when it reaches the center of the sphere. Note that the electric field and hence the acceleration is not constant. Use the concept of conservation of kinetic and potential energies. Some simple integration is necessary to compute the potential at the center of the sphere.

a)Ok, the potential energy of the electron is:

U = -eV_R

To find V of R we need to refer to electric field:

V_f - V_i = -\int_{i}^{f} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}
V(R) - V(\infty) = -\frac{Q}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \int_{R}^{\infty} \frac{dR}{R}
...
V_R = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{Q}{R}

Therefore,

U = -eV_R
U = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{-eQ}{R}

B)This is the one I'm having trouble with. I don't know what the final potential energy is or out to get it.

Here's what I have so far:

U_\varnothing = K_f + U_f
\frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing}\frac{-eQ}{R} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + U_f

So what do I do for U of f?
 
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You'll first have to find the electric field inside the sphere using Gauss's law. Then integrate that from 0 to R to get the potential at the center, designating the potential at the surface zero.
 
That means:

\int \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{S} = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}
\int E \cdot dS cos(0) = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}
E \cdot 4 \pi R^2 = \frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\varepsilon_\varnothing}

Charge is intact, so...
\int E = \frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \frac{|Q|}{R^2}

Which is the same for pointlike charges...

Now:

V_f - V_i = -\int_{i}^{f} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}
V(R) - V(0) = -\int_{0}^{R} \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{R}
V(R) - V(0) = -\frac{Q}{4\pi\varepsilon_\varnothing} \int_{0}^{R} \frac{dR}{R}eh there's a division by zero. Does this mean that there's no potential energy in the center? That's what I assumed at the begining, but now I'm lost. :confused:
 
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I think you've forgotten Gauss' Law: :wink:
\int \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{A} = \frac{q_{enc}}{\epsilon_0}
 
No I haven't. it's in my previous post. Am I complicating things?
 
You're trying to find the electric field at any distance r from the center of the sphere. So:
E \cdot 4 \pi r^2 = \frac{\rho V}{\epsilon_0}
where
\rho = \frac{Q}{\frac{4}{3} \pi R^3}
and
V = \frac{4}{3} \pi r^3
(Notice r is not the same as R).
 
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