Electric potential and velocity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential and its effect on the velocity of an electron moving from a region of low potential to a region of high potential. Participants are exploring the relationship between electric potential, potential energy, and kinetic energy within the context of electric fields.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of electric potential on potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning how velocity changes when moving between different potentials. There is an exploration of the assumptions regarding the presence of an electric field and its role in the conservation of energy.

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Some participants have offered insights into the conservation of energy and the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made about the electric field and its influence on the electron's motion, with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of electric potential, potential energy, and the behavior of charged particles in electric fields, with some confusion regarding the conditions under which these concepts apply. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about the underlying physics principles.

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Hello all. I had written a test today on ELECTRIC POTENTIAL and I got this particular question wrong:

Homework Statement



If an electron would travel from a region of low potential to a region of high potential , would there be a change in velocity?

2. My take at the problem : electric potential is a location based quantity which is nothing but just P.E. /charge.
So if an electron were to go from low potential to higher potential , then it would increase its potential energy. the work done by electric field(assuming their is a electric field) would be negative in magnitude and hence decrease the velocity

The answer : velocity does not change
How is this possible?:confused:

Level : 12th grade:D
 
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san203 said:
Hello all. I had written a test today on ELECTRIC POTENTIAL and I got this particular question wrong:


Homework Statement



If an electron would travel from a region of low potential to a region of high potential , would there be a change in velocity?

2. My take at the problem : electric potential is a location based quantity which is nothing but just P.E. /charge.
So if an electron were to go from low potential to higher potential , then it would increase its potential energy.
You correctly stated that the the electric potential is equal to the potential energy of a charged body divided by the charge. The charge of the electron is negative: so at higher potential its potential energy is more negative than at low potential. When the electron goes from law potential to high one, its potential energy decreases. The electric field is conservative, so what happens to the kinetic energy of the electron?

san203 said:
The answer : velocity does not change
How is this possible?:confused:

Level : 12th grade:D

That is certainly not true.


ehild
 
ehild said:
You correctly stated that the the electric potential is equal to the potential energy of a charged body divided by the charge. The charge of the electron is negative: so at higher potential its potential energy is more negative than at low potential. When the electron goes from law potential to high one, its potential energy decreases. The electric field is conservative, so what happens to the kinetic energy of the electron? ehild

I see. So by conservation of energy, the velocity of particle should increase.
Am I right in saying that the answer you gave was based on the assumption that the field was created by a negative charge?
Because the question does not state anything about the type of field.My teacher's answer : As their is no field , their should be no force and hence no change in velocity.

So how could their be a electric potential when their is no field?
 
There is field if the potential changes. If there is electric field, there is force on a charged particle. If there is force when a particle travels through a distance, there is work. If work is done, the KE of the particle changes.

ehild
 
ehild,
I am not clear about this. Can you help?
Let say the electron moves from A to B with VA < VB
The potential energy of the electron at A and B:
WA = q*VA
WB = q*VB
Where q = -1.6*10^-19C
If 0<VA<VB => WA > WB
=> When electron moves from A to B its potential energy decreases => its kinetic energy increases and its velocity increases
Is this right?

How about the case VA < 0 < VB?
Then WB < 0< WA => KE (at B) < KE (at A) => its velocity decreases.
Is this also right?
 
anhnha said:
ehild,
I am not clear about this. Can you help?
Let say the electron moves from A to B with VA < VB
The potential energy of the electron at A and B:
WA = q*VA
WB = q*VB
Where q = -1.6*10^-19C
If 0<VA<VB => WA > WB
=> When electron moves from A to B its potential energy decreases => its kinetic energy increases and its velocity increases
Is this right?

It is right.

anhnha said:
How about the case VA < 0 < VB?
Then WB < 0< WA => KE (at B) < KE (at A) => its velocity decreases.
Is this also right?

No. It is the same as before. If VA<VB, the sign of the potential does not matter.


Let be VA=-10 V and VB = 5 V
As the charge of the electron is negative, qVA>qVB: WA=1.6x10-19*10 J, WB=-1.6x10-19*5. You see that WA>WB. As energy is conserved, KE(A)+WA=KE(B)+WB --->WA-WB=KE(B)-KE(A) >0 KE(B)>KE(A), the KE energy increases, the speed also increases.

ehild
 
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Get it now, thanks ehild:smile:
 
You are welcome:smile:

ehild
 

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