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The discussion revolves around the safety implications of touching a phase line in a 11kV/230V delta/star connected distribution transformer system where the neutral is not grounded. Participants explore the conditions under which a shock may occur and the factors influencing the current flow in such a scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that touching one phase of the secondary line could result in a shock due to the completion of the circuit through distributed capacitance to earth.
  • Others provide a counterpoint, suggesting that the shock may not be significant, depending on the capacitance and the balance of the system.
  • A participant mentions that the maximum current could be estimated as 230V divided by the capacitive reactance, indicating a potential for a dangerous shock.
  • There is mention of the IEEE standard recommending that the neutral be earthed with a resistor to mitigate risks associated with ungrounded systems.
  • One participant shares a personal measurement experience, noting a current of around 0.3 amps in a different system, which they describe as potentially lethal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood and severity of shock when touching a phase line, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on system size and configuration, as well as the influence of distributed capacitance, which are not fully resolved. The implications of grounding practices are also noted but not agreed upon.

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in 11kv /230 v delta /star connected distribution transformer neutral not connected to earh,then if we touch the one phase (ex:R phase)of secondery line, shall we get shock or not?
 
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Yes.

The circuit is completed by distributed capacitance of other two phases to earth.
Current might amount to goodly fraction of an amp.
Or it might be too little to feel.
 
jim hardy said:
Yes.

The circuit is completed by distributed capacitance of other two phases to earth.
Current might amount to goodly fraction of an amp.
Or it might be too little to feel.
Thanks.i am new to this forum.
 
G.natarajan said:
Thanks.i am new to this forum.
Dear
If the ground is neutrely charged .
And if The phase line is positively charged.
The distribution Transformer neutrel not grounded. Then we touch the line
From standing the ground what happens, will get full shock.
 
Full shock ? no.

There is capacitance from all the wires and equipment in your distribution system to earth. How much depends on the size of the system.
Currents flow through that capacitance from each phase to earth.

When everything is balanced those three currents add to zero, of course .

When you grab a phase you place yourself in parallel with one of those distributed capacitances.
So voltage across that one drops and the others rise.
How much current flows ? I'd say maximum would be 230V/Xc
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There might be a little contribution from interwinding capacitance in the 11kv/230v transformer.
I've measured around 0.3 amp on a 480 system in a power plant.
That'd be a good shock and might be lethal but it wouldn't cause an explosion.
IEEE standard 241"The Green Book" recommends the neutral be earthed with a resistor approximately equal to Xc.
A good industrial reference book will have formulas to estimate distributed capacitance.
 

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