Electricity - polarization/grounding

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The discussion revolves around the grounding of a positively charged ball (Y) and its interaction with a negatively charged ball (X). It is noted that protons cannot move into the ground, while electrons in ball X are attracted to ball Y, leading to confusion about the charge states after grounding. The initial assumption was that ball X would be negative and ball Y positive, but grounding could allow for neutralization of ball Y by electrons from the ground. The final conclusion reached was that both balls ended up negative, raising questions about the movement of protons through the grounding wire. The participant expresses frustration over the apparent contradiction in the expected behavior of charges.
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So in step 3, the positive ball Y is grounded. But protons can't move into the ground and all (most) of the electrons are in ball X. I was thinking the electrons in ball X were too heavily attracted by ball + to travel through ball Y to get to the ground.

So the answer should be X = negative, and Y = positive, right? Because nothing really happened when it was grounded...
 
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It is possible that Y neutralized while it was grounded...electrons from the ground could come up and neutralize Y (you could expect current when there is a potential difference).
 
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It is possible that Y neutralized while it was grounded...electrons from the ground could come up and neutralize Y (you could expect current when there is a potential difference).

But then after Y is neutralized, the electrons would still move over to X because of the + ball attracts them while they're still connected. So would X still be negative and Y positive?

THEN I see in step 5 that the + ball is removed before the balls are removed from each other. Is this implying they neutralize each other after the + ball is taken away?


EDIT: OK, the answer turned out to be negative and negative, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE. How can protons travel through the wire into the ground?!
 
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