Electron accelerated in electric field

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an electron accelerated in an electric field between capacitor plates, specifically addressing the implications of energy transfer, charge neutralization, and the effects on the electric field when the electron interacts with the plates. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding electric fields and kinetic energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario of an electron entering an electric field and questions the energy transfer if the electron does not hit the positive plate, suggesting that the electric field would weaken as energy is transferred to the electron.
  • Another participant proposes that if the electron flies past the positive plate, it would lose kinetic energy while moving back into a neutral potential.
  • A later reply notes that upon collision with the positive plate, the energy is converted into heat and other forms, which could lead to a loss of energy from the electric field.
  • One participant questions why the electron does not neutralize some positive charges upon hitting the plate, leading to a clarification that the collision does indeed cancel some positive charge, contributing to energy dissipation.
  • Another participant corrects the terminology regarding kinetic energy, emphasizing the focus on the y-component of the electron's speed affected by the electric field.
  • There is a discussion about the maintenance of potential at the anode and the implications for charge buildup and electron behavior in the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the electron's interaction with the positive plate, particularly regarding energy transfer and charge neutralization. There is no clear consensus on the overall impact of these interactions on the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the initial state of the electron and the maintenance of potential at the anode, which may affect the discussion's conclusions. The role of external electric fields and the specifics of energy dissipation mechanisms remain unresolved.

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We have this situation

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an electron comes flying in electric field between two capacitor plates. Let's say that voltage is 12V and distance between plates is 1m. Electric field E=U/d=12V/m. Plates are connected to the battery just initially. The battery is later disconnected.

If electron comes flying in right in the center, between the plates, electric field accelerates electron and gives it some energy. Kinetic energy of the electron in the "y" direction is now Ek=E*q*d/2

Now I have one question.
If the electron doesn't hit positive plate, that means that energy from the field was transferred to electron and if we would continue accelerating electrons the field will obviously lose energy and it will have to weaken and disappear? So where have all the electrons from negative plate gone?What if the electron hits the positive plate? That means that it will return it's energy back into the positive plate. But if it hits positive plate it will reduce positive charge on that plate. That would mean that it will again weaken the electric field between two plates. I know there is a catch here, but I can't see it.

EDIT: correcting an equation
 
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If the electron doesn't hit the positive plate but flies past it and has enough kinetic energy not to get stopped, it will lose the gained kinetic energy as it flies away. It will be climbing out of the positive potential (as it is closer to the positive plate) back into a neutral potential.

If it hits the positive plate, then the energy of the collision becomes heat and/or chemical and mechanical energy, and is lost from the field.
 
Ah yes, I forgot that there is electric field outside the plates. That makes sense. thanks

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So, when the electron hits positive plate, why doesn't it neutralize some of the positive charges on it?
 
GhostLoveScore said:
So, when the electron hits positive plate, why doesn't it neutralize some of the positive charges on it?
It does cancel some positive charge. That's the mechanism by which the energy is lost from the field and dissipated in the collision.
 
GhostLoveScore said:
Kinetic energy of the electron in the "y" direction is now Ek=E*q*d/2
There is no such thing as kinetic energy in the y direction, however you can just start with the electron at rest in the center so that the kinetic energy is given by your expression.

GhostLoveScore said:
But if it hits positive plate it will reduce positive charge on that plate. That would mean that it will again weaken the electric field between two plates.
Yes, the field is weakened and some work is done on the plate, usually going quickly to thermal energy.
 
Dale said:
There is no such thing as kinetic energy in the y direction.

I meant to say that I am only looking at the y component of the speed. Because y component of the speed is being affected by electric field.
But you are right, the initial question would be better if I said that electron was at rest in the middle of the plates and there is a small hole in the plate for the electron to pass through.
 
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GhostLoveScore said:
But if it hits positive plate it will reduce positive charge on that plate.
If the Anode(+) is maintained at a given Potential, the electrons will be removed from it by the power supply. By a possibly circuitous route, electrons will shuffle around - possibly via Earth and the electrons at the Cathode (-) will be replenished.
If the Anode is not maintained at its potential then electrons will build up and alter the Potential. This can cause an electron beam in a crt to spread out. If the accelerating voltage is not high, it is possible for so much negative charge to build up on an insulated plate that electrons will actually be repelled.
 

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