Electron and proton between two plates

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the motion of a proton and an electron in an electric field between two plates, specifically focusing on the distance at which they meet. The context includes concepts from electromagnetism and kinematics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the proton and electron, their accelerations, and the distances they travel before meeting. There are attempts to calculate the distances based on their respective accelerations and the time of travel.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the ratios of accelerations and distances traveled by the particles. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations and assumptions made, with participants questioning the correctness of the initial approach and discussing the implications of mass differences on motion.

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Participants note the importance of units in calculations and the need to clarify the assumptions regarding the motion of both particles under the influence of the electric field.

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Homework Statement


Between two plates (distant 4cm) there's an electric field (E = 100N/C).
A proton starts moving from the positive plate and an electron starts moving from the negative plate.
At what distance from the positive plate do they meet? (is "meet the right verb here? :biggrin:)

Homework Equations


## a = qE/m ##
## v = at ##
## U = - \frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r}##
## U_i + K_i = U_f + K_f ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated ##U_i##.
It is ##-5.76x10^{-27} J ##.

Now,
## U_i = Kf ##
and
## Kf = \frac{1}{2} m_p v_p^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_e v_e^2##

I replace ## v = at = \frac{eEt}{m} ##

## U_i = [\frac{1}{2} e^2E^2 ( \frac{1}{m_p} - \frac{1}{m_e})] t^2 ##
## t = 6.39x10^-12 s ##

## x(t) = \frac{1}{2} at^2 ##

I obtain a very small value of x. 10^-13 or so.
There's a big difference (4 orders of magnitude) between the acceleration of the electron, that's true.
But they meet at very very very small distance from the positive plate.

Could you tell me if this is right?

Thank you so much
 
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cseil said:

Homework Statement


Between two plates (distant 4cm) there's an electric field (E = 100N/C).
A proton starts moving from the positive plate and an electron starts moving from the negative plate.
At what distance from the positive plate do they meet? (is "meet the right verb here? :biggrin:)
...

I obtain a very small value of x. 10^-13 or so.
There's a big difference (4 orders of magnitude) between the acceleration of the electron, that's true.
But they meet at very very very small distance from the positive plate.

Could you tell me if this is right?

10^-13 in what units?
No, it is not right.
Think: Forces of the same magnitude act on both particles, F=qE. And you correctly wrote that the acceleration is a=qE/m.
me=9,11x10-31kg. mp=1.67x10-27kg.
The ratio of the masses mp/me=1833. What is the ratio of the accelerations?
Again you wrote correctly, that the distance traveled by one particle is x=a/2 t2. They travel for the same time. So what is the ratio of the distances they travelled?
 
ehild said:
10^-13 in what units?
No, it is not right.
Think: Forces of the same magnitude act on both particles, F=qE. And you correctly wrote that the acceleration is a=qE/m.
me=9,11x10-31kg. mp=1.67x10-27kg.
The ratio of the masses mp/me=1833. What is the ratio of the accelerations?
Again you wrote correctly, that the distance traveled by one particle is x=a/2 t2. They travel for the same time. So what is the ratio of the distances they travelled?

Sorry, I forgot to say the units. 10^-13 m!

The ratio of accelerations is ##\frac{a_p}{a_e} = \frac{1}{1833} ##
The ratio of distance is the same, because t is the same.

I don't understand how to use it, though
 
The proton travels x distance and the electron travels 1833 x distance. The sum of their distances is 4 cm. What is the distance traveled by the proton?
 
Oh, ok

## 0.04 = x(1833+1) ##

x is ##2.18x10^{-5}##m.

What was my mistake then?
 
I could not understand what you did.
 

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