Electron Charge: How Particles Get Their Charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the origin of the electron's charge and how it relates to the concept of magnetic monopoles. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, experimental evidence, and the implications of these ideas in the context of particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the charge of an electron is currently a measured quantity without a theoretical calculation method available.
  • One participant discusses Dirac's work on magnetic monopoles and the implications of charge quantization in relation to monopoles and the behavior of vector fields.
  • Another participant mentions a laboratory paper on synthetic monopole creation but expresses uncertainty about the acceptance of these results.
  • There is confusion regarding the claims made in the synthetic monopole research, particularly about the terminology used and the nature of the findings.
  • Some participants clarify that the synthetic monopoles discussed are quasiparticles rather than elementary particles.
  • A preprint is referenced, but participants express uncertainty about its content and implications.
  • Questions are raised about the theoretical relationship between monopoles and the electron's negative charge, suggesting that monopoles could be a fundamental property of particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between monopoles and the electron's charge, and there are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of experimental results and theoretical implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the claims made in the synthetic monopole research and the dependence on definitions related to monopoles and charge. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the theoretical foundations and experimental validations of these concepts.

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How electron gets its charge ? For that matter any other particle charge?
 
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Nobody knows. At this time the charge on an electron is a thing that we measure and put into the theory. There is not, at this time, any way to calculate the charge on an electron.

There was some tantalizing work done on the idea of magnetic monopoles, by Dirac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole

The idea of magnetic monopoles is that the gauge field becomes, eventually, close enough to the actual monopole, something else. That something else is determined by the nature of physics at very high energies, and so very short distances. For example, if string theory is correct then the gauge field eventually shows its string-ness. And that let's you get a monopole.

But there is a mathematical theorem that is known in slang terms as the "hairy ball theorem." It is often quoted as "you can't comb a hedge-hog." It means that a vector field that is tangent to a sphere cannot be everywhere smooth. And that is a problem. In electromagnetism, the A field and the B field are perpendicular. So if the B field from a monopole is radial, then the A field has to be tangent to a sphere. And that is a problem. You get a place where the field is "weird."

Dirac's way around this was charge quantization. If the ratio of the magnetic field on the monopole and the electric charge on the electron was exactly the right amount (or integer multiples) then the "weird" place in the A field would not be observable. It would go away in the phase, which is not observable.

The problem is, so far, nobody has observed any monopoles.
 
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Mordred said:
Certainly not in nature, there was a paper on synthetic monopole creation on a lab though.

http://m.phys.org/news/2014-01-physicists-synthetic-magnetic-monopole-years.html

links to the papers on that site.

I'm not sure how accepted the results are though. I just recalled the news on the subject

Hmm... I look at that and get seriously confused. It is really unclear to me what they are claiming. It seems like they are claiming they have some kind of magnetic vortex. But why they choose to call it a Dirac magnetic monopole is really not clear to me. The journal article is behind a pay wall and I'm not sufficiently fired up to fork out the cash.
 
Those are just quasiparticles. The solution discussed in the post above would need them as elementary particles.
 
There is a preprint on this. It's not behind a pay wall.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1408.3133

I make no representations as to what is in there. I really do not understand what they are claiming, let alone what it means.
 
Thanks for the arxiv article. I wasn't sure myself.
 
How monopole could be related to how electron gets its -ve charge, I mean is it that monopole is possible fundamental property of particles theoretically though ?
 
i.physics said:
How monopole could be related to how electron gets its -ve charge, I mean is it that monopole is possible fundamental property of particles theoretically though ?

Did you read the wiki article?
 

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