Electrostatics problem with pith balls hung using threads

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The discussion revolves around the arrangement of pith balls under electrostatic forces and how their configuration affects the angles between the threads. Participants debate whether the charges will form a square or a tetrahedron, with the consensus leaning towards the tetrahedral arrangement due to its lower potential energy and the influence of electrostatic repulsion. The angle in a tetrahedral configuration is approximately 110°, while a square arrangement would yield 90°. Concerns are raised about thread slackening in a tetrahedral setup, but it is argued that electrostatic forces maintain the structure. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of predicting the arrangement of charged objects in electrostatics.
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Homework Statement



Please open the attachment for the question

Homework Equations



1)coulomb's law

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm at a loss regarding what to do. Upon reading the question (ignoring the figure), I assumed that the charges will form a square and thus the angle between two adjacent threads will depend on the length of the thread. But the solution key given to me said option (d) was correct. Please help.
 
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That problem statement is ill. The angle depends on the charges and masses - for negligible charges, it will be nearly zero, which is not covered in any answer.
Without or with negligible gravity, the masses will arrange like a tetrahedron, and d is correct. But that requires at least one charge to point "upwards" relative to the point where they are attached.
 
mfb said:
Without or with negligible gravity, the masses will arrange like a tetrahedron, and d is correct.

Without gravity, won't they get arranged as a square in the plane of the ceiling to which the threads are attached?

Thanks in advance mfb
 
As far as I know, a square is not the ideal arrangement, a tetrahedron is better.
 
But with a tetrahedral arrangement, won't one of the threads slacken? Also, could you please explain how the tetrahedral arrangement is favored to the square one where the balls are far apart from each other and thus the system has the lowest potential energy.
 
won't one of the threads slacken?
Electrostatic repulsion keeps it there.

With a tetrahedral arrangement, the angle is somewhere at ~110°, compared to ~90° for the square. On the other hand, you have 3 nearest neighbors instead of 2, so it would need a calculation to compare both arrangements.
 
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