EM waves amplitude's effecting penetration?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of the amplitude of electromagnetic (EM) waves on their penetration into various materials, while keeping the frequency constant. Participants explore theoretical implications, material properties, and analogies to other phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that changing the amplitude of EM waves while holding frequency constant could affect penetration depth, but emphasizes that this effect largely depends on the material in question.
  • Another participant agrees that a larger amplitude would result in a greater distance for the fields to decay to a certain level, noting that the physics remains consistent for linear materials.
  • A different viewpoint argues that penetration should not change with amplitude, referencing the mathematical representation of the electric field in conductors and the established concept of skin depth.
  • One participant draws an analogy between projectile penetration and EM wave penetration, suggesting that while mass (analogous to amplitude) and velocity (analogous to frequency) affect penetration in projectiles, the situation is different for EM waves.
  • Another participant mentions practical applications, such as microwave ovens, to illustrate how EM waves interact with materials, though this does not directly address the amplitude-penetration question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether amplitude affects penetration depth, with some asserting it does and others arguing it does not. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific concepts like skin depth and provide analogies to projectiles, indicating that the discussion involves complex interactions that may depend on material properties and definitions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetic theory, material science, or anyone exploring the interactions of waves with different media.

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If you held frequency constant, and changed the amplitude of EM waves coming from a source, then would the distance into a material the EM waves would penetrate change?
 
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Generally, yes but the extent to which it happens or is possible depends largely on the material considered. For a conductor, check out the concept of skin depth.
 
Yes by virtue of the fact that the amplitude is larger and so it will take a correspondingly large distance to drop the penetrating fields down to a given amplitude. In general the physics does not change since we generally work with linear materials so the amplitude of the incident wave does not affect the material properties. So a wave with an electric field of 1 V/m will experience the same decay profile as one of 100 V/m.
 
Not a simple question to answer.

There is a long thread here somwhere...try microwave oven...and if nothing interesting turns up, try that in wikipedia...

A microwave oven, or simply a microwave, is a kitchen appliance that heats food by dielectric heating. This is accomplished by using microwave radiation to heat polarized molecules within the food.


This excitation is fairly uniform,
leading to food being more evenly heated throughout (except in dense objects) than generally occurs in other cooking techniques.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
 
I don't see why it should change the penetration. You just use:

[tex]\tilde E (z) \;=\; E_0 e^{-\alpha z} e^{-j\beta z}[/tex]

For conductors, they just defined the skin depth and that does not affect by amplitude.

What am I missing?
 
A projectile of 1 gram(think amplitude) and a velocity of 1,000 fps(think frequency) will have a lower penetration capacity as oppossed to a 2 gram projectile at 1,000 fps velocity.
But even that depends on the material being hit.

Even still, this is much different than dealing with EM waves.
A shiny mirror might reflect a laser beam of 1/2 watt versus 1 watt equally effective without ANY penetration difference.
Yet, a 100 watt laser might just burn a hole through that same mirror.
 

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