Energy band in K space VS real space

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The discussion centers around the relationship between energy bands in k-space and their representation in real space, particularly in the context of solid-state physics. Participants explore the implications of this relationship for electron behavior in a periodic structure and the transformation of wave functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how energy bands with dispersion in k-space translate to real space.
  • Another participant asserts that bands exist solely in k-space, as the effective mean field Hamiltonian is diagonal in k-space but not in real space.
  • It is proposed that transforming eigenstates into real space yields Wannier orbitals, which resemble atomic orbitals but do not diagonalize the Hamiltonian, leading to a lack of a direct e(r) relationship.
  • A further contribution discusses the behavior of an electron in a perfect crystal under a constant external electric field, noting that the E vs k relationship influences the electron's motion in a complex manner.
  • There is a suggestion regarding the integration over the entire Brillouin Zone to obtain Wannier orbitals, indicating that one wave function is part of a broader set of orbitals.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and representation of energy bands in k-space versus real space, with no consensus reached on the implications of these transformations.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of the crystal and the behavior of electrons, particularly regarding the effects of periodic structures and external fields. The relationship between k-space and real space representations remains unresolved.

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Hi All,

There is a simple question in my mind.
A band with energy Ek has dispersion in k space. Then what it looks like in the real space?
 
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The bands only exist in k-space, since the effective mean field one-particle Hamiltonian (Fock operator/Kohn-Sham operator), of which the e(k) are the eigenvalues, is diagonal in k-space, but not in real space.

If you transform the eigenstates of this operator (the crystal orbitals) into real space, you get the Wannier orbitals, which look closely like normal atomic orbitals (in particular, they are identical in each unit cell). But these Wannier orbitals do not diagonalize the effective one-particle Hamiltonian anymore, so there is no e(r) relation in this sense.
 
Let´s assume a perfect crystal and no scattering processes. Consider an electron and constant external electric field. If the electron were free, it would accelerate at uniform rate. However, the electron moves in a periodic structure. The E vs k relationship gives us an important information: at a given value of k, the slope of the curve is proportional to the electron's speed. Thus, although the external field is constant the electron moves in a complex way given by the E-k curve.
 
Hi cgk,

Do you mean integrate in the whole Brillioun Zone to get Wannier orbitals? In that case, one wave function psi(k) is just part of orbitals.

cgk said:
The bands only exist in k-space, since the effective mean field one-particle Hamiltonian (Fock operator/Kohn-Sham operator), of which the e(k) are the eigenvalues, is diagonal in k-space, but not in real space.

If you transform the eigenstates of this operator (the crystal orbitals) into real space, you get the Wannier orbitals, which look closely like normal atomic orbitals (in particular, they are identical in each unit cell). But these Wannier orbitals do not diagonalize the effective one-particle Hamiltonian anymore, so there is no e(r) relation in this sense.
 

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