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The energy is the 0-th component of the four momentum vector ##p^\alpha##. How is called the component ##p_0 = g_{0\alpha}p^\alpha##?
The discussion revolves around the interpretation and properties of the energy component of the four-momentum vector in the context of relativistic physics. Participants explore the nature of this component, its invariance, and its relationship with the four-velocity of observers, as well as the implications of different metric signatures.
Participants express differing views on the nature of energy as a component of the four-momentum vector, with no consensus reached on whether it should be treated as a vector or a one-form. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations and their physical significance.
Participants highlight that the interpretation of energy and its invariance is dependent on the choice of metric signature and the specific conditions of the spacetime being considered. The discussion also reflects varying perspectives on the mathematical formulation of physical phenomena.
I don't think it has a special name (or any special interpretation)kent davidge said:The energy is the 0-th component of the four momentum vector ##p^\alpha##. How is called the component ##p_0 = g_{0\alpha}p^\alpha##?
I thought neither energy nor spatial momentum needed to be separetely invariant.martinbn said:energy is not a component of a vector, that would not be an invariant quantity
martinbn said:energy is not a component of a vector
martinbn said:It is the inner product of the timelike Killing vector and the momentum
PAllen said:Since most sources treat 4-velocity exclusively as a vector, it is often convenient to treat 4-momentum as a one form (covariant, not contravariant) to take its inner product directly with an observer 4-velocity, yielding observed energy. Further, relativistic treatments of Lagrangians and Hamiltonians that I've seen always use momentum as a one form, leading to force as a one-form. Some authors even argue that 4-momentum as a vector is 'incorrect' (I don't go this far).
Well in spaces with fundamental form (as Minkowski space is) there's a natural, i.e., coordinate independent mapping between vectors and covectors, and usually you identify them. I'd thus not say it's incorrect to say to take (canonical) momenta as one-forms only, but indeed the natural structure is to take it as a one-form, becausePAllen said:Since most sources treat 4-velocity exclusively as a vector, it is often convenient to treat 4-momentum as a one form (covariant, not contravariant) to take its inner product directly with an observer 4-velocity, yielding observed energy. Further, relativistic treatments of Lagrangians and Hamiltonians that I've seen always use momentum as a one form, leading to force as a one-form. Some authors even argue that 4-momentum as a vector is 'incorrect' (I don't go this far).