Engine Efficiency: Find ΔW & ΔQh

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The discussion centers on calculating the efficiency of a heat engine operating through various thermodynamic processes: isobaric expansion, adiabatic expansion, and isothermal contraction. The user initially calculated work (W) and heat (Q) for each leg of the cycle but struggled with the correct values and the overall efficiency formula. After several attempts and clarifications, it was determined that efficiency should be calculated using the net work done over the heat added to the system (Qin). The final calculations yielded an efficiency of approximately 0.19, confirming the correct approach to identifying the heat inputs during the cycle. The discussion concluded with the user successfully finding the answer after clarifying the definitions and calculations involved.
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Homework Statement


An ideal gas with Cv = 5 2R, and γ = 1.4 starts at a volume of 1.5m3 , a pressure of 2.0×105Pa ,and a temperature of 300K. It undergoes an isobaric expansion until the volume is V , then undergoes an adiabatic expansion until the volume is 6.0m3 , and finally undergoes an isothermal contraction until it reaches the original state.

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What is the efficiency of this heat engine?

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I am aware that the answer is 0.19, and that efficiency is ∆W/∆Qh but I am unsure of how to find ∆W and ∆Qh in this scenario.
 
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Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
 
There is usually a formula for W, but what is the formula for Q?
 
DrClaude said:
Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
I did the calculations for the W and Q for each PV leg and got:
W= 146000 for isobaric, W = 346524 for adiabatic, and W = -415888 for isothermic.
Q = 511000 Q= 0 Q = W = -415888
Adding these up I get 94636/95112 = 0.99. I know the answer is not that. Any ideas of what I could be doing wrong?
 
DrClaude said:
Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
What is the next step after I calculate the W and Q for each leg of the cycle?
 
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physics123 said:
I did the calculations for the W and Q for each PV leg and got:
W= 146000 for isobaric, W = 346524 for adiabatic, and W = -415888 for isothermic.
Q = 511000 Q= 0 Q = W = -415888
Adding these up I get 94636/95112 = 0.99. I know the answer is not that. Any ideas of what I could be doing wrong?
Please show the details of your work.
 
Chestermiller said:
Please show the details of your work.
Isobaric: W = P∆V = (2x10^5)(2.23-1.5) = 146000J Q = (C/R)(Vf-Vi)p = 3.5(2.23-1.5)2x10^5 = 511000J
Adiabatic: W = (K (Vf1-gamma - Vi1-gamma) )/(1-gamma) where K = PV1-gamma = (2x10^5)2.231.4 = 614690
W = 614690 ( 0.4884-0.72556) / -0.4 = 364524J Q = 0
Isothermic: W = PiVi ln(vf/vi) = (6)(5x10^4) ln(1.5/6) = -415888 Q = -W

Now to add the Ws, and the Qs. W = 146000 + 364524 + -415888 = 94636 Q = 511000 + 415888 = 926888
e = W/Q = 94636/926888 = 0.10
which is incorrect. Any ideas?
 
physics123 said:
Isobaric: W = P∆V = (2x10^5)(2.23-1.5) = 146000J Q = (C/R)(Vf-Vi)p = 3.5(2.23-1.5)2x10^5 = 511000J
Adiabatic: W = (K (Vf1-gamma - Vi1-gamma) )/(1-gamma) where K = PV1-gamma = (2x10^5)2.231.4 = 614690
W = 614690 ( 0.4884-0.72556) / -0.4 = 364524J Q = 0
Isothermic: W = PiVi ln(vf/vi) = (6)(5x10^4) ln(1.5/6) = -415888 Q = -W
OK. For the isothermic you have that Q = -W. Should that be Q = +W?

Now to add the Ws, and the Qs. W = 146000 + 364524 + -415888 = 94636 Q = 511000 + 415888 = 926888
e = W/Q = 94636/926888 = 0.10
which is incorrect. Any ideas?
The definition of efficiency is Wcycle/Qin where Qin is the amount of heat that went into the engine during the cycle rather than the total Q for the entire cycle. So, identify the part or parts of the cylce where heat went into the engine.
 
TSny said:
OK. For the isothermic you have that Q = -W. Should that be Q = +W?


The definition of efficiency is Wcycle/Qin where Qin is the amount of heat that went into the engine during the cycle rather than the total Q for the entire cycle. So, identify the part or parts of the cylce where heat went into the engine.
i found the answer, thanks everyone
 
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physics123 said:
i found the answer, thanks everyone
Actually, to do this, all you have to do is. to get the three heats:

Q1 =511000

Q2 = 0

Q3 = -415888

So, the work is W = Q1 + Q2 +Q3 = 95112

So the efficiency is 95112/511000
 
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