Entropy of Ice-Water: Solving the Puzzle

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The discussion focuses on a thermodynamics problem involving a 1.30×10-2 kg ice cube at -12.0°C placed in 0.470 kg of water at 50.0°C. The user attempts to find the final temperature (Tf) and calculate the entropy change using the heat exchange equation, Qi=Qw. Initial calculations for Tf yield 46.98°C, but the user struggles with the entropy calculation, which includes multiple phases of ice melting and warming. Clarification is provided that after the ice melts, the resulting water must be treated with the specific heat of water for further temperature changes. The user expresses gratitude for the guidance received.
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Homework Statement


A 1.30×10-2 Kg cube of ice at an initial temperature of -12.0 C is placed in 0.470 Kg of water at 50.0 C in an insulated container of negligible mass.

mi=1.3x10-2 Kg
mw=0.470 Kg
Ti=-12 C
Tw=50 C
ci=2100
cw=4190
Lf=3.34*10^5


Homework Equations


Qi=Qw
S=Q/T


The Attempt at a Solution



okay so first I tried to find Tf
Qi=Qw
mi(Lf+ci(Tf-Ti))=mwcw(Tw-Tf)
1.3x10-2(3.34*105+2100(Tf+12))=0.47*4190(50-Tf)
27.3Tf+327.6+4342=-1969.3Tf+98465
Tf=46.98

for entropy I tried to add up all the stages where ice->0 C + ice->water + ice water->Tf + hot water->Tf

S=[miciln(T2/Ti)]+[miLf/T]+[micw ln(Tf/T)]+mwcw ln(Tf/Tw)
S=[1.3x10-2*2100ln(273.15/261.15)]+[(1.3x10-2*3.34x105/273.15)]+[1.3x10-2*4190 ln(46.98+273.15/273.15)]+[0.470*4190 ln(46.98+273.15/50+273.15)]
=1.2264+15.896+8.644-18.490=7.28

I still get the wrong answer when using this method so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be much appreciated.
 
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But once the ice melts, the H2O (at 0 C) then warms up to the final temperature as liquid water, not ice. So you have to use the specific heat of water for that stage.

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oh I get it now, thanks for the help.
 
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