Equations of movement of partical that slides inside a container

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The problem involves finding the equations of motion for a particle of mass m sliding on the inner surface of a spherical container defined by the equation x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 1, with the constraint z ≤ 0. The discussion revolves around the application of physics principles, particularly Newton's second law and possibly Lagrangian mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of F=ma and the challenges of deriving the equations of motion. There are references to similar problems, such as the pendulum, and suggestions to consider spherical coordinates. Questions arise regarding the necessity of specific methods and the relationship between forces and vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches, including the potential use of spherical coordinates. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relevance of the Lagrange method and the treatment of forces, but no consensus has been reached on the best path forward.

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Participants express confusion regarding vector calculus notation and the application of specific methods, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts. There is also a mention of the context of the exercise, suggesting it may relate to a broader topic in mechanics.

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Hello

I'm trying to solve the following problem:

"Find the equations of movement of a particle of mass m that slides on the inner surface of a spherical container given by the equation x^2 +y^2 + z^2 = 1, z≤0"

I know I have to use F=ma and I've tried derivating the equation but I don't get anywhere.

Thanks.
 
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The pendulum is a similar problem.
It is a particle moving in a plane and constrained to stay on a circle.
Have a look at how this is usually treated, this might inspire you.
You will see the decomposition of the forces into a component tangential to the trajectory (T) and one perpendicular (N) to it.

You should inform us also on the context of this exercise.
If this is supposed to be an application of the Lagrange method, then i is another story.
 
No, there is not optimization involved in the problem. I'm familiar with the pendulum but the relation between vectors (with vector calculus notation) and forces is confusing me.
 
The question about the Lagrange method was really about the Lagrange equation of motion. But from your answer it seems you are not aware of that.

This problem is best solved in spherical coordinates. Are you familiar with them?
 
Oh, my bad. Yes, but is it necessary? What is the best path to follow?
 
alejandro7 said:
Oh, my bad. Yeso, but is it necessary?

What "it"?

What is the best path to follow?

In my opinion, use spherical coordinates.
 
It = using spherical coordinates. I will try that.
 

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