Evaluate the definite integral:

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The problem involves evaluating the definite integral ∫(x^101 - √(9-x^2))dx from -3 to 3, with a hint suggesting that it can be approached without anti-differentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty of using anti-differentiation and explore alternative methods, including graphical interpretations of the functions involved. Some suggest considering the symmetry of the functions and the areas they represent.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, with some participants suggesting that the areas under the curves of the two functions may cancel each other out due to their symmetry. Others are considering the geometric implications of the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the integral and the potential for computational intensity when using traditional methods. The discussion includes considerations of the graphical representation of the functions and their properties.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate the definite integral ∫(x101-√(9-x^2))dx from -3 to 3.
Hint: This problem can be done without anti-differentiation.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I am stuck. I tried to do it with with anti-differentiation and it didn't work/very computation-intensive.
Hints on how to do it without anti-differentiation, please?
 
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1question said:

Homework Statement



Evaluate the definite integral ∫(x101-√(9-x^2))dx from -3 to 3.
Hint: This problem can be done without anti-differentiation.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I am stuck. I tried to do it with with anti-differentiation and it didn't work/very computation-intensive.
Hints on how to do it without anti-differentiation, please?

Think about what the graphs of x^101 and sqrt(9-x^2) look like.
 
1question said:
I am stuck. I tried to do it with with anti-differentiation and it didn't work/very computation-intensive.

Actually, using indefinite integrals and then applying limits of integration is a pretty good way of solving it. Integral of x101 is easy to calculate and it gets simple to integrate the other term when you substitute x = 3sinθ.
 
Dick said:
Think about what the graphs of x^101 and sqrt(9-x^2) look like.

Well, I could use the fact that the - and + parts have identical areas (and thus find 1 and multiply by 2 to get the total area?)
 
Sunil Simha said:
Actually, using indefinite integrals and then applying limits of integration is a pretty good way of solving it. Integral of x101 is easy to calculate and it gets simple to integrate the other term when you substitute x = 3sinθ.

No, it's not hard to do the integration. But the point here is to find an even easier shortcut.
 
1question said:
Well, I could use the fact that the - and + parts have identical areas (and thus find 1 and multiply by 2 to get the total area?)

Treat the two function x^101 and sqrt(9-x^2) differently. Start with x^101. What do you say about the relation between the + part and the - part in this case? Are they really the same? For sqrt(9-x^2) sketch a graph. It might be a common geometric shape that you know the area of.
 
Dick said:
Treat the two function x^101 and sqrt(9-x^2) differently. Start with x^101. What do you say about the relation between the + part and the - part in this case? Are they really the same? For sqrt(9-x^2) sketch a graph. It might be a common geometric shape that you know the area of.

They have the same magnitude, but opposite sign.

Well, I know that sqrt(9-x^2) is a semi-circle at x=+/- 3 and height = 3.
 
1question said:
They have the same magnitude, but opposite sign.

Well, I know that sqrt(9-x^2) is a semi-circle at x=+/- 3 and height = 3.

Good! You've basically got it. If you add "same magnitude, but opposite sign" what do you get? And the integral is the same as the area under the curve, right? So if you know a formula for the area of a semicircle, you know the integral.
 
Dick said:
Good! You've basically got it. If you add "same magnitude, but opposite sign" what do you get? And the integral is the same as the area under the curve, right? So if you know a formula for the area of a semicircle, you know the integral.

0?

Oh...

I got it (confirmed with Wolfram) - first term = 0, and the second = πr^2/2 (b/c semi-circle), and so the answer is:

= ...
= (0-πr^2/2)
= 0-π(3)^2/2
= -9π/2

Thank you!
 

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