Evaluating an exponential of a really large negative number

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an exponential function involving a large negative exponent, specifically in the context of calculating the probability of an electron being located on the moon. Participants explore mathematical approaches to handle the exponential term and its implications for the probability calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Exploratory, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a calculation involving the ground state wave function of hydrogen and the volume of the moon, leading to an exponential term e^(-ro/ao) where ro is the radius of the moon's orbit and ao is the Bohr radius.
  • Another participant suggests converting large negative exponents to a power of 10 for numerical evaluation, indicating a method to simplify the computation.
  • A further reply provides a specific identity for transforming the exponential term into a logarithmic form, emphasizing the order-of-magnitude nature of the result.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the balance of the equation after applying the suggested method, leading to a calculated probability of p = 10^-(10^8).
  • A light-hearted comment is made about the idea of a cubic moon, indicating a playful engagement with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of transforming the exponential term for evaluation, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the broader implications of the calculations or the assumptions made in the initial setup.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions include the simplification of the moon's shape and the neglect of gravitational effects, which may influence the accuracy of the probability calculation. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the exact numerical results and the implications of the derived probabilities.

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Readers interested in mathematical approaches to probability, quantum mechanics, or those curious about unconventional applications of physics concepts may find this discussion relevant.

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As a kid, I remember my father saying "there's a small chance that an electron in your body is on the moon" Well, today I decided to calculate the odds. Among the assumptions I made to make math easier.

*Ground state wave function of Hydrogen
*the moon is a cube of sides 2r. where r is the radius of the moon.
*Ignore gravity

Setting the origin at earth, you simply integrate over the volume of the moon in spherical coordinates.

I don't have the result on me now, so I'm guessing at what I got. I think I eliminated some pi's and constants because it's an order of magnitude kind of situation.

{ (rm^2)e^(-ro/ao) } / (ro^2)

rm - radius of the moon
ro - radius of the moon's orbit
ao - bohr radius

My question, the term e^(-ro/ao) is an exponential of a huge negative number. The grapher on this mac makes things look pretty, but it can't crunch numbers. How would you evaluate this?
 
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For numerical evaluation of large (negative or positive) powers of e, convert first to a power of 10, by multiplying the exponent by log10e. The rest is obvious.
 
So I want to take both sides of the equation to the log10e power?
 
Well... uh, sort of. You'll want to use the identity
[tex]e^{-r_0/a_0} = 10^{-(r_0/a_0)\log e}[/tex]
So just figure out what [itex](-(r_0/a_0)\log e)[/itex] is, and then if it's, say, -1000000000 you'll have an answer like "10 to the -1000000000 power" or whatever. Since it's just an order-of-magnitude thing, that's good enough.
 
Ok. I atleast see that that equation is balanced. Good enough for me.

What a crazy chance diazona, My calculations end up with...

p = 10^-(10^8) = 10^-10,000,000
 
I'd like to see a cubic moon actually.
 

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