Existence of quasi-euclidean spacelike hypersurfaces?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of quasi-euclidean spacelike hypersurfaces in smooth pseudo-Riemannian manifolds, particularly in the context of general relativity (GR). Participants explore whether it is possible to find open spacelike 3-regions containing a given spacelike geodesic that exhibit quasi-euclidean properties.

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  • Some participants propose that for any arbitrarily long spacelike geodesic, it may be possible to find an open spacelike 3-region that is quasi-euclidean, except when passing through singularities.
  • Others argue that a singularity cannot be traversed by a geodesic, suggesting that the definition of quasi-euclidean regions needs to account for the nature of singularities and geodesics.
  • A participant suggests that the coordinate-based definition of quasi-euclidean regions may not be applicable due to the manifold structure, which may not allow for a coordinate patch covering the entire space.
  • Some participants believe that for a simply connected geodesic in 3+1 dimensions, there exists an open neighborhood and a spacelike orientable 3-surface that is locally euclidean based on the original spacetime metric.
  • It is noted that in special relativity (SR), one can find globally euclidean spacelike 3-planes containing any spacelike geodesic, while in GR, the existence of globally quasi-euclidean 3-planes is generally not possible.
  • There is a suggestion that the conjecture could be better defined by focusing on the existence of a locally euclidean spacelike surface around a geodesic, rather than relying on a coordinate-based definition.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of coordinate definitions and the nature of singularities, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Participants acknowledge limitations related to the definitions of singularities, the structure of manifolds, and the potential inability to define coordinate patches that cover the entire space.

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I wonder if anyone knows or can figure out an answer to this question I've been thinking about:

In a smooth pseudo-riemannian manifold like those in GR, and given some arbitrarily long spacelike geodesic, is it always ( or almost always, e.g. except for passing through a singularity) possible to find some open spacelike 3-region containing the geodesic (possibly an exceedingly skinny region around the geodesic, as long as it is an open region) that is quasi-euclidean in geometry?

There may be a nicer definition, but what I mean by a quasi-euclidean spacelike 3-region is that one can find some coordinate system on a spacetime (4) region containing the 3-region where:

1) one coordinate is zero throughout the 3-region
2) the 3x3 submetric corresponding to the other coordinates is positive definite throughout the 3-region.

Though phrased in coordinates, I believe this definition is coordinate independent; a given spacelike 3-region either has or does not have this property. Note, also, that even in Minkowski spacetime, it is trivial to construct spacelike 3-surfaces that are not quasi-euclidean (start with one that is and add sufficient bumps, but still keep it spacelike; you then can't achieve positive definite metric throughout - some areas will have negative metric components, brought in from the overall psuedo-riemmanion metric of the spacetime; if you squeeze them out in one area, you'll pick them up in another, no matter how you pick coordinates - as long as they are legitimate coordinates).
 
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Re passing through a singularity, the usual description is that a singularity isn't a point in the spacetime, so you really can't have a geodesic that passes through a singularity. In fact, one way of defining a singularity is that it's a place that you can't extend geodesics through.

If the geodesic is a closed curve, then you could have issues with orientability.

I think the coordinate-based definition doesn't really work because we're on a manifold, where it may not be able to define a coordinate patch that covers the whole space.

Maybe a better way to define the conjecture is by asking whether, for given simply connected geodesic γ in 3+1 dimensions, there exists an open neighborhood O of γ and a spacelike orientable 3-surface S that is a subset of O containing γ, such that S is locally euclidean based on the metric of the original spacetime.

I think the answer is yes. The fact that it's a geodesic prevents you from running into kinks. If γ had a kink in it at point P, then I don't think there could be an S that was locally euclidean at P.

[Made a few edits to the above after posting.]
 
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Note, I believe the answer in SR is that you can find a one parameter family of global, exactly euclidean, spacelike 3-planes containing any spacelike geodesic. These correspond to the inertial frames in which ends of the geodesic are simultaneous.

I also think, in GR, one can find quasi-euclidean 3-regions in a sufficiently small ball including a section of the geodesic; and that, in GR, you generally cannot find any globally quasi-eucliden 3-planes at all. My question amounts to whether restricted to an arbitrarily small open tube around an arbitrary geodesic, one can find quasi-euclidean 3-regions.
 
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bcrowell said:
If the geodesic is a closed curve, then this would be impossible in a spacetime that wasn't orientable.

I meant to say a geodesic between two different events. Thus, for a closed geodesic you would have to cut out some tiny piece of it.
 
bcrowell said:
I think the coordinate-based definition doesn't really work because we're on a manifold, where it may not be able to define a coordinate patch that covers the whole space.

That's a related question I had in mind. Looking some definitions of maximal atlases, but not have studied this material in detail, I was thinking you should always be able to find a coordinate patch containing some geodesic. Thinking about even extreme 2-surfaces, it seemed you could always find ribbon around a geodesic on which you could impose a single coordinate patch.
 
bcrowell said:
Maybe a better way to define the conjecture is by asking whether, for given simply connected geodesic γ in 3+1 dimensions, there exists an open neighborhood O of γ and a spacelike orientable 3-surface S that is a subset of O containing γ, such that S is locally euclidean based on the metric of the original spacetime.

Independent of whether the coordinate definition could be made to work, I like this much better.
 

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