Explain magnets at the subatomic level to me?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of magnetism at the subatomic level, specifically focusing on the behavior of electrons, the Pauli exclusion principle, and the magnetic properties of atoms, including hydrogen. Participants explore theoretical concepts and seek clarification on the underlying mechanisms of magnetism.

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  • One participant questions how the alignment of electron spins relates to the Pauli exclusion principle, suggesting a potential conflict in understanding.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Pauli exclusion principle applies to electrons around the same nucleus, implying that electrons in different nuclei can occupy the same states.
  • A reference to Wikipedia indicates that magnetization in materials arises from both the orbital angular motion of electrons and their intrinsic magnetic moments.
  • There is speculation about whether a single atom of hydrogen is magnetic, with one participant suggesting that the distinction between magnetic and non-magnetic is not clear-cut and that hydrogen would not serve well as a permanent magnet.
  • A participant seeks to understand the concept of magnetic moment and how an electron's spin generates a magnetic field.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Pauli exclusion principle and the magnetic properties of hydrogen, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and conditions under which atoms exhibit magnetic properties, as well as the specific mechanisms by which electron spin contributes to magnetism.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, magnetism, or the behavior of subatomic particles in magnetic fields.

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Can someone explain magnets at the subatomic level to me? According to wikipedia, many of the electrons' spins are oriented in the same direction; what happened to the Pauli exclusion principle? Is it something to do with the electrons being delocalized that changes the other quantum numbers? Is a single atom of hydrogen magnetic?
 
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kashiark said:
According to wikipedia, many of the electrons' spins are oriented in the same direction; what happened to the Pauli exclusion principle?

Hi kashiark! :smile:

The Pauli exclusion principle will only apply to electrons around the same nucleus …

they can't be in the same states …

but electrons round different nuclei are in different states anyway. :wink:
 


Wiki notes at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism

In magnetic materials, the most important sources of magnetization are, more specifically, the electrons' orbital angular motion around the nucleus, and the electrons' intrinsic magnetic moment

Is a single atom of hydrogen magnetic?

If you read the above reference you'll find that "magnetic" vs "non magnetic" does not have a precise line of demarcation. My guess is that if you put almost any atom or particle in a strong enough magnetic field it will align itself at least in part with the magnetic field due to either electric charge, spin, or other factors.

Hydrogen would likely not make a good permanent magnet for use in a simple electric motor.
 


What exactly is a magnetic moment? How does the spin of a single electron create a magnetic field when it spins?
 

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